Jason
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zonhin wrote:
A moderator is messing with us. No normal member(s) could have that many points.

A few member got insane amounts of mods from "Don't Ask and You Shall Recieve" namely Larrymurk, Stefan, Techant, Silver, and Robobob3000. Hmmm..

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Oh how people on this forum love eachother...

We're better then most.

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Let me tell you a little story.

Way back in... ooh... 2003ish, back when the forum was young and carefree... some people were getting a bit annoyed. And the reason for the annoyance was that some people were posting almost pointless posts. Why? Because next to their name on each post was a little number saying how many posts they had made, and when this number reached certain values the text under their name changed and their username became a different colour. And these people were so desperate to reach the next colour/text that they posted anything.

So the Powers That Be thought, and suggested a Solution. The number would no longer increase with posts, but would change by other forum members choosing to increase (or decrease) it according to the content of the posts. And this change was welcomed and the people saw that it was good.

But sadly, people were still keen to keep pushing this meaningless number up. And people became very sad when this number was decreased for reasons they thought were not good enough. And so while the original problem was solved, it created a bigger one...

And this caused more people to be sad, for those who did not care about the number became annoyed by those who did, and so dissent and anger grew and they lost sight of the fact that this entire system was implemented to stop people making irritating posts.

So. Please. Let's stop this childish behaviour. Let's keep the forum the fun, relaxed place it used to be before modpoints were ever an issue. In fact, I hereby make an official petition to the moderators:

Please remove modpoints, rank points, post-counts or any other system whereby people have a meaningless number that they will want to inflate and/or be upset if it decreases.

There. I've said it. Rant is now over.

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Please remove modpoints, rank points, post-counts or any other system whereby people have a meaningless number that they will want to inflate and/or be upset if it decreases.

Would that also include the highscores? I (and I believe many others) think those are pretty meaningless in light of being able to copy someone else's demo and other factors.

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zex20913
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I like both systems. It may certainly be because I'm near the top of both, but I don't think "random, uncalled for down-mods" are a good enough reason to nix a good system, which allows for this behavior by design. Sure, it feels bad for the person getting downmodded, but there are only two reasons for it to be looked at.

1. Somebody hacked the system.
2. A moderator is behind the majority of the downmods.

Any other situation means that somebody is using their modpoints as they see fit, which is all I want from the mod system. And by whatever private criteria you decide. Even if it is the dartboard method.

As for the high score system, the number is not meaningless, because it represents something which is able to be scored objectively. Yes, demo-reduxing makes the number a bit less believable, but I don't want to get into the sniping fight again.

To every rule, there is a loophole. To every system, there are rules. I'm fine with the loopholes we currently have, and I think that any changes now would simply result in different problems down the road.

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Actually, you'd have 322-500 mod points or whatever if you just happened to have at least that many rank points and didn't mod often.

zonhin
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Banjooie wrote:
Actually, you'd have 322-500 mod points or whatever if you just happened to have at least that many rank points and didn't mod often.

Well, We can rule out abusive mods. (Though it didn't sit right with me, mainly because this community, in general, is nice.)

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Banjooie wrote:
Actually, you'd have 322-500 mod points or whatever if you just happened to have at least that many rank points and didn't mod often.

...where did that number come from? You don't play this "game" with default mod points.

This single thread has eaten closer to some 6000 already, mostly by the +-100's.

Coincidentally, I saw this thing go from -1 to +2 without any mods online. Either someone's playing Hide and Seek, or someone else has been quietly given infinite supply.

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Doom wrote:
Coincidentally, I saw this thing go from -1 to +2 without any mods online. Either someone's playing Hide and Seek, or someone else has been quietly given infinite supply.

That'd be my bet. The admin's occasionally fling large amounts of mod points to forum members on a whim.

However, there may also be more than one person doing this, or someone's hacked the system.

It almost seems like its Maurog modding down all the posts, considering that it doesn't seem to be serving any other purpose than to kick up a fuss.

As for people complaining about people being concerned over a number next to their name, this actually creates a sense of achievement and is very beneficial to the community. I mean, I'm willing to bet that H&S wouldn't nearly be such a useful place if it wasn't for the mod point system. Just because you don't care about something doesn't mean you should expect everyone else to follow suit.

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Ok, guys, listen to this novel idea.

You don't want any more of your posts randomly modded, then delete all your old posts and don't post any more. Seriously, that's the only way it will work.

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Ezlo wrote:
Ok, guys, listen to this novel idea.

You don't want any more of your posts randomly modded, then delete all your old posts and don't post any more. Seriously, that's the only way it will work.

Brilliant! There might be a slight problem that you can't be modded up either, but who cares? And if everyone does it, we won't have to worry about downmod discussions.
Or any other discussions for that matter.

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Jason
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This is all just getting silly.

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Jason wrote:
This is all just getting silly.

Only now?

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Mattcrampy
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Because it's come up in private messages:

The only modding I've done was the -100 to Maurog, and that'll be reversed as soon as Maurog is willing to come to the table and be constructive. Someone else is doing most of this modding, I don't know who, I don't know if it's the mods or what.

I don't know who keeps doing these -1s, either, but it'd be nice if they could at least explain themselves. Modpoints are not a solution.

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krammer wrote:
Please remove modpoints, rank points, post-counts or any other system whereby people have a meaningless number that they will want to inflate and/or be upset if it decreases.

Yeah, you're right, it's probably best to just remove the whole modpoint system. It's not as if your value as a DROD-player/forum member/whatever depends on the little number under your username, and there's plenty of good reasons, beside modpoints, to keep being nice and helping each other. And what have this forum come to if modpoints is the only thing that should restrain people from righting all sorts of crazy/mean posts?

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Dear Lord, are you people still talking about this? Allow me to refer you to this story.

Banjooie
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to be honest as funny as getting rid of the modpoints and ranks would be, it means people would actually have to confront posts they found offensive by replying in some form, and oh man the drama that would cause would make me happy.

And nobody wants to make ME happy, right?

Right.

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OMG!

Look at Briareos' post! +100?!?

Me jealous. <_<

Seriously, someone's got mods to waste!!!

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Banjooie wrote:
And nobody wants to make ME happy, right?

Right.

Wrong. I want to make me happy. I'm playing with words.

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zex20913
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Careful...play with words and you're going to get learned.

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Okay, this is all getting a bit silly.

Actually, now come on, this has gotten very silly indeed. The point of the rankpoint system is not for mods to mod down people who've done wrong, that's what the ban button is for. That is why mods have it and everyone else doesn't. And it's not for residents to express disapproval, either, that's what we have harsh words and swears for. Actual communication, which gives people a much better chance of either correcting their actions and reforming into a Jeff_Ray, or of hopelessly spluttering when someone calls them.

I still suspect that there's someone else who's stealing my precious bodily fluids causing trouble, but I'm pretty comfortable in concluding that Maurog was just using the exploding smilie as an excuse for a chance to sow some discord, something that he really didn't take to having returned to him. We can get enough discord from Banjooie the rest of the internet, so it's a bit of a shame that someone who was generally pretty okay had to get so... petty. If only he'd used his powers for good instead of evil!

So, yeah, Maurog gets his rankpoints back from me, in a kind of parole situation. Dude keeps his nose clean, he gets to keep them, even though he couldn't be buggered doing something constructive about the explody smilie.

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Mattcrampy wrote:
I still suspect that there's someone else who's stealing my precious bodily fluids causing trouble,

I'm glad to see I wasn't the only one considering making a reference to that.

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Preverts.

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Jacques?

jamie
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I hereby state that it wasn't me doing all this downmodding.

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As do I (I only have 3 mod points anyway)

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I sugest that every forum member that didn't do the down modding posts here to say so. That would be truely meaningfull.

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Blondbeard, I didn't know you were so skilled in sarcasm You've made my day.

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Blondbeard wrote:
I sugest that every forum member that didn't do the down modding posts here to say so. That would be truely meaningfull.

I was speaking as one of those with 'unlimited mod points', so there!

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The process of elimination is a terrible thing, blondbeard.