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Hmm... I think the next snake should be a giant Earthworm(brown)/Centipede(yellow). Head and Tail are immune to swords. You cut a segment out of the Body, and it splits into TWO Worms. Any time a new Worm is length-1, it dies. It can also eat monsters to grow longer. So if you split it into length-2 Worms, you'll have to let it eat a monster to grow to length-3 before you can kill it.

1.      B
        |
   @=========>

2.      B
   @===>|@===>

3.      B
   @    |
   #==> @===>

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No monster should be dependent on another monster for its death.

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I'm not saying I support this recurring request, but the problem can be solved by making them grow by one every cycle.

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zex20913 wrote:
No monster should be dependent on another monster for its death.

What about red serpents?

It all depends on how the architect uses them. The architect could only use odd length worms which beethro could kill with his mighty sword if desired.

Worms cutting into multiple worms does sound like fun to me.

Note that similar creatures have been suggested before. I'd throw in that they could eat crumbly walls also.

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zex20913 wrote:
No monster should be dependent on another monster for its death.

Hmm... there are several rooms in TCB that work just like that, Zex. I can also think of at lease one room in JtRH like that.

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Prior to TCB coming out I had an idea that I never actually posted for a snake called the Ouroboros (named for the symbol of the serpent that devours its own tail). It was going to be green and grow each time it ate another monster, but the similarity to the Adder stopped there.

First, the Ouroboros doesn't just eat other monsters. Like its namesake, this snake will devour itself if the head crosses the tail's path. Each body segment past the part that gets eaten becomes a new "remains" object, which acts like a wall in most respects (Beethro can't cut it, though you could allow bombs to destroy it). An Ouroboros is the only monster that can get rid of remains, by consuming it (and growing again).

It dies like the serpent (by getting the head trapped), only the whole body dies immediately when this happens (I picture it trying to do a 180 in tight quarters and biting its own head off).

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I should have thrown a "solely" in there. A length 2 brown snake would need another monster (or a bomb, etc) to be killed. That was my intention.

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I vote for a very simple new version of the snake: the Hydra. It has a second head instead of a tail. Whichever head is closer is the one that moves towards you (You can see which head is making decisions by the eye color - the one that's moving will have glowing eyes. And in case of both heads being equidistant, the head that made the last decision makes the next one). Weak spots the heads.

It's quite simple and does not include the complexities that splitting into more snakes has.

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Thy Dungeonman wrote:
I vote for a very simple new version of the snake: the Hydra. It has a second head instead of a tail. Whichever head is closer is the one that moves towards you (You can see which head is making decisions by the eye color - the one that's moving will have glowing eyes. And in case of both heads being equidistant, the head that made the last decision makes the next one). Weak spots the heads.

It's quite simple and does not include the complexities that splitting into more snakes has.

I think that would be an amphisbaena, not a hydra.

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The word "hydra" is similar enough to "hydro" to imply water, so how about a two-headed snake that interacts with the new water terrain?

The Hydra can traverse water as though it were land. Each turn a head is in water, the serpent remains the same length. Each turn both heads are in water, the serpent grows. Each turn neither head is in water, the serpent shrinks. To kill it, you have to keep both heads out of the water long enough. This can be tricky since it can just reverse direction if the head it's currently following gets trapped.

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DGM wrote:
The word "hydra" is similar enough to "hydro" to imply water, so how about a two-headed snake that interacts with the new water terrain?

While hydra might be close to hydro, the Hydra of ancient Greek mythology is much closer to it in terms of connotations. The Hydra, by the way, is the monster that grows new heads every time one gets sliced off. Other than that, I'm not sure I see how this monster's going to shrink. Let's say for the sake of argument I got the monster in this position:

--.B.--
-<|||>-
--...--

B = Beethro
- = wall
. = floor
</> = snake head
| = snake body

Which side's going to shrink first?

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BDR wrote:
While hydra might be close to hydro, the Hydra of ancient Greek mythology is much closer to it in terms of connotations. The Hydra, by the way, is the monster that grows new heads every time one gets sliced off.

I know. That's why I kept the two-headed part. It's almost a play-on-words, as I'm using both "hydra" and "hydro."

Other than that, I'm not sure I see how this monster's going to shrink.

Whichever end is currently being used as the "tail" will shrink, I guess. Just have it switch whenever the "head" end gets trapped.

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I know I saw an hydra suggestion back in the old times. Searching for this will surely give a suggestion topic.

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zex20913 wrote:
I should have thrown a "solely" in there. A length 2 brown snake would need another monster (or a bomb, etc) to be killed. That was my intention.

maybe it could die if made into a 1 or 2 length snake

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