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I wanted to make a big hold. So I started to make Simon's Dungeon...
The levels are going to be theme based but I'm not sure how many I'll make. That depends on how many room ideas I get...

Update : Final testing version
Added warp room for testing.

[Edited by Doom at Local Time:10-27-2004 at 05:25 AM]

Sim
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Finished it. There's some very good puzzles in there, and a consistent medium-ish diffulcty which is good. Some more checkpoints would be good, and maybe one near the combination puzzle so you don't have to keep running over there. It's a great level though, I can't wait for more levels if they're this quality

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I can't figure 3n1w yet
like the rest of it
some good use of manipulation and timing

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I've finished it. Very nice hold, lots of rooms, with varied difficulty. Although sometimes it gets boring when you have to do the same thing 7+ times. You might want to trim down those, or try to get an extra trick in. Is it possible to have a save point in more rooms?

Some comments about specific rooms:

2N1E
3N1W
1N2W,2W
1S2E
definitely needs a save point.

2S
This first parts looks strangely familiar... Didn't I see this thing before?

Well Done! You should do some more!

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Tim wrote:
Some comments about specific rooms:

2N1E

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×Is it your intention to let both the roaches take the left path to the top? Because that is possible.

No, I'll fix it

3N1W

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×What do those doors in the NE corner do? I don't need them.

Are you sure about those coordinates? 3N 1W is the room with orb in the middle and roaches in the sides. If it's 3N 2W, cold you send me demo of that?

1N2W,2W

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×Nice trick! But I don't really want to do the same trick nine times.

I don't understand what you mean. Could you be more accurate?

1S2E
definitely needs a save point.

Not necessarily. There's a logic in which order you hit orbs.

2S
This first parts looks strangely familiar... Didn't I see this thing before?

Yes I've borrowed other ideas too...

Well Done! You should do some more!

Already done 13 rooms of level 2 and a few rooms in level 3.

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Great hold. Didn't really see anything you should definitely change, but thought I'd offer some suggestions/comments you might consider.

3N2W:


3N1E


2N1E


1N2E
Nice timing puzzle. Cool room all around.

1N2W


2W


1E


2E
Worth mentioning as another favorite.

1S

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Doom wrote:

Are you sure about those coordinates? 3N 1W is the room with orb in the middle and roaches in the sides. If it's 3N 2W, cold you send me demo of that?

Grrrrrr... I mean 3N2W, although 3N1W did took me some time. I'm still not sure how I did that (3N1W)...
Here's a demo for 3N2W. If you can't watch it, the trick is:

1N2W,2W

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×Nice trick! But I don't really want to do the same trick nine times.

I don't understand what you mean. Could you be more accurate?

I meant that it was a bit boring, because you are doing the same trick all the time.

1S2E
definitely needs a save point.

Not necessarily. There's a logic in which order you hit orbs.

I know, but I don't want to walk all the way 10 times. I'm a very lazy person

2S
This first parts looks strangely familiar... Didn't I see this thing before?

Yes I've borrowed other ideas too...

Yes, I noticed It's just that I found that part so easy to do

Already done 13 rooms of level 2 and a few rooms in level 3.

OK, maybe I should also do a level 2 of my hold then.

By the way, you might not noticed, but I'm a really bad swordsman. I've just completed Fool's Errand, and it took me 3 weeks to find out how to finish the goblins room.

[Edited by Tim on 08-22-2004 at 02:33 PM GMT: 3N2W!]

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i also did 3n2w the same way as tim
for 2n1e just move the force arrow 1 square north to fix it
anyone can give me a hint for 3n1w? still stuck there

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Hint for 3N1W:



Certainly not the only way, but it defintely is a way to do the room.

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Added the second level. (I really have nothing else to say)

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Doom wrote:
Added the second level. (I really have nothing else to say)

Um, what about the fact that you revamped level 1? Haven't played level 2 yet, but wanted to comment on level 1. I really liked the changes you made; 1N2W, 1S, and 3N1E especially. I wasn't even sure 3N1E was possible at first. Two comments on particular rooms:

1E


3N2W


[Edited by KevG on 08-24-2004 at 10:29 AM GMT]

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Added the second level. (I really have nothing else to say)

ok, I was in a hurry when I posted it.

I made changes in the "boring" rooms in level 1. Your solution in 1E is intended. I'll also fix 3N 2W for the next version.

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Doom wrote:

Added the second level. (I really have nothing else to say)

I made changes in the "boring" rooms in level 1. Your solution in 1E is intended. I'll also fix 3N 2W for the next version.

Sorry, I apologise. I will refrain from using the word boring from now on. I use that word because I was not sure if the solution was intended. (It's hard being psychic and guess what you want to achieve, you know.)

I'm stuck on your new 1N 2W though.

By the way, I don't think I will do any test on your level two, because I have absolutely no ideas how to solve any of them

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I did a little testing by myself.

I think that second part of L2 2W is impossible. Ignore it because I'll fix it.

General tip on level 2

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So far I am unable to solve the following rooms (I used the editor to solve 3W and 1E): 2W, 1S, 1N1E, 1N2E, and 2S1E.

2S1W:


One concern about the level as a whole. The difficulty jumps considerably from the first level to this one. Once you have more levels done, you might want to consider re-ordering them so this is a higher level. You could easily insert a roach queen level or even an eyeball level before this one. (The wraithwing may have technically shown up earlier in KDD, but the eyeball was actually made good use of earlier.)

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I'll change the order of levels if I make easier levels later. I'm currently making level with roach queens but it's propably more difficult than the wraithwing level...

[Edited by Doom on 08-26-2004 at 05:03 PM GMT]

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I actually assumed that was the way 2S1W was meant to be done.

I can't figure out
1N1W I can't get a WW where I want it
2W I know you said the second part isn't possible but I can't do the first part
1S2W can't see anyway to get one of the WW out
1N2W no idea how to get past the force arrows.

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Updates

1N1W complete
1S2W complete
2W got past the first part but I agree the second part does look to be not possible.

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Level 1 2N1W seems to be impossible. If I use the lower entrance, the uppermost roach is inaccessible, and if I use the upper entrance, there's no way to kill the roach on the force arrow.

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It's possible.

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Oh, yeah. That makes me feel moderately stupid.

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Tim
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Hi,

BE PREPARED FOR A LONG POST

Sorry for being late, but I was testing other holds as well, and I've also finished Zork:GI (cool game, but off-topic)

Let's see what I think of level 2:

General comment: As a person that do not really liked ww before, I must say that I am impressed. There are lots of things you can do with ww. And no, I still don't understand how those ww works. I still missed some savepoints. The repetitiveness is gone, I'm very glad about that. Difficulty is varied, but it is certainly a lot harder than the roaches level. You don't have to worry about that yet. When you've made some more levels, I'm sure you can tune the difficulty according to the other levels. There's one main thing about this level, is that I solved some of the rooms without realising it. And this level I have fewer rooms that I would use an exclamation mark. But that is probably because I still haven't solved some of the rooms. Overall, a very solid level, and I will need hints if I want to complete this one.

[If I mean simple, then it does not mean it is bad, it is just some kind of indication of the difficulty, which is like level 1, varied.]

TE: Okay, easy
1N: Solved, but I still don't know why that SW corner should be solved that way...
1N1W: Hint needed?
1N2W: Okay
3W: Very Cool!
2W: Hint please for the first part?
1W, 1S2W : Ok.
1S1W: Strange, but possible.
2S1W: This room is solvable without the roach, but is as others said, probably intended?
2S: Fun! But what use is that east pit?
1S1E: Simple, but possible.
1S2E: Okay
3E: not tested
2S1E, 1S, 2E: Hint needed ???
1N2E: Is the simple (but cool) solution intended?
1N1E: not tested
1E: Simple.

Another off topic question, have you finished my hold already? What do you think of it?

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Tim wrote:

Let's see what I think of level 2:

1N: Solved, but I still don't know why that SW corner should be solved that way...

--- "that way?" ---

1N1W: Hint needed?

---

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×You need to have both wraithwings in correct place before hitting the orb safely

---

2W : Hint please for the first part?

---This room requires you to understand how wraithwings move and can be controlled. Maybe you can make a test room in editor and try moving in different directions.---

2S1W: This room is solvable without the roach, but is as others said, probably intended?

---it's unintended...---

2S: Fun! But what use is that east pit?

---hmm... I see, you shouldn't get the wraithwing through the same door with roaches.---

2S1E, 1S, 2E: Hint needed ???

--- 2S1E :

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×Don't break too many trapdoors

1S :Minimalism... Can't give a hint without spoiling it.
2E :

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×You can't complete this room without waiting the wraithwing at some places.

---

1N2E: Is the simple (but cool) solution intended?

---as far as I know there's only one solution ---

Another off topic question, have you finished my hold already? What do you think of it?

---yep, some nice tricks---

[Edited by Doom on 09-01-2004 at 01:32 PM GMT]

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Another update:

1N: Solved, but I still don't know why that SW corner should be solved that way...
--- "that way?" ---
As in: I thought it was symmetrical, but those ww don't behave that way

1N1W: I think I will pass this one. Much too hard for me. I can't figure where to place them.

2W first part: Got it.

1N1E, 2S1E, 1S : Got them. All Cool!

2E : I was SOOOO stupid... I've got it now!!!
1N2E: --- as far as I know there's only one solution ---
3E: Is that possible? I can't seem to place my roach correctly.

-- Tim

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Tim wrote2E : I was SOOOO stupid... I've got it now!!!

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×I've even got a whole bridge left!!!

Are you saying that

Tim wrote

Doom wrote
1N2E:as far as I know there's only one solution

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× Does your solution only needs 3 arrows?

Time wrote
3E: Is that possible? I can't seem to place my roach correctly.

Everyone, who can't finish this room should try this attached mini hold. It teaches the trick that's used in that room.

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Here's one prepared earlier.

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You just made a hold for me! Wow! Thanks, I've got 3E now

Just let me know if I can remove the demo. I must say, it's not bad, 2 demos in 2 levels

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I need a hint for 1N2E. I can't work out how to start even.

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Its level 2.

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I'm not sure whether you have solved the room or not, so some hints:

123 If you still need a spoiler, just ask