Sim
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This is my first release of Veere's dungeon, a single-level hold. Difficulty is easy/medium, although some rooms are at the ends of that scale. I've tested the hold and it should be solvable regardless of what order you do the rooms in. If you get stuck, post here and I'll help you solve the room, but I'm not giving away the hold secret! Hold is editable once you've solved it.

Thanks in advance for feedback and comments.

DiMono
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Are the yellow doors at the top and bottom of 2W supposed to open with the orb in the middle? Because it looks like after the third room the hold is a dead-end.

Edit: Never mind that, I'm a goof. Forget I said anything.

Further Edit: Played through every room up to the long serpent and roach queen room (2N3W, I think), and I just can't find a way to get past those roaches in time. So I'm gonna give you a on the hold so far, and since I don't feel like being frustrated today I'm going to leave it for now, come back to it later.

[Edited by DiMono on 07-27-2004 at 07:39 PM GMT]

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Sim
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Wow, thanks a lot for the +3, although I can't say I'm sure how this rating system works.

As for the serpent room:


Anyway, thanks for trying my hold.

DiMono
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Sim wrote:
As for the serpent room:

Click here to view the secret text

×Are you making more steps or sword swings than necessary?

Of course it could just be me.

[Edited by DiMono on 07-27-2004 at 09:34 PM GMT]

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Sim
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Another hint:


Solution for first part:


Hint for goblin part:


You're probably nearly there anyway . I hope I don't seem patronising with all these hints, I just want to make the room solvable yet somewhat enjoyable

[Edited by Sim on 07-27-2004 at 09:58 PM GMT]

urban
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congratulations, ir is a great hold!!!

VortexSurfer
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That's a very nice hold! I think it's nearly perfect - Could have been sent straight to the "Holds" section ... Good design and some original ideas.

I would rate it medium/hard, though.

Scott
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I need a hint on 5N2W the brains and queen room. You have to loop through the rooms twice and I am always many turns too late and a roach gets stuck on the arrowns.

DiMono
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To be more specific, the looping isn't the problem, it's having to go back for that brain in the chamber above where you start.

Actually, I'm having significant difficulty with 2N2W as well. It looks like the only way to get to the brain is if you enter from the top, but that because you're forced to place the mimic early the only way to exit the room is if you enter from the south.

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Sim
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OK, a couple of hints:

2N2W:


5N2W:
Hint 1 (less helpful):

Hint 2 (more helpful):

brian_s
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1N 2W is keeping me stumped. Any hints?

DiMono
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Sim wrote:

Click here to view the secret text

×Take a look at the orb on the far right. It's very useful.

Problem: can't move to the left after collecting the mimic.

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masonjason
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brian_s wrote:
1N 2W is keeping me stumped. Any hints?

For 1N 2W:


This is a superb hold, by the way.

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swann_88
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why do I seem to be the only person who can't get 3w

Sim
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Dimono: You don't need to move left until the right-hand orb has been struck. If you're really stuck:


swann_88: This room exploits a quirk in DROD. You should get a black-and-white victory, or if that makes no sense:


Thanks for all of the feedback so far

Frodo
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K, I must be missing something simple here...

I understand how to get the eyes, but first seem to need to kill the roaches. I can kill two, but get killed by the third.

Any hints for a poor puzzler?

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Sim
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Frodo
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Thanks, Sim. Even though I did that already, I was starting to wonder if I was wrong. Your telling me that, was just enough to make me try on, in that same way, and to realize where I went wrong.

On to the next screen.

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DiMono
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4N2W needs a green door so that if you back up to do 3N2W, like I just did, you don't need to go through the orbs and gates again to get back out.

Edit: Just finished the hold, very nicely done. Using some of my own tricks against me, yarrrrrrr.....

[Edited by DiMono on 08-01-2004 at 05:56 PM GMT]

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masonjason
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I'm still stuck on 5N2W.

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Sim
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Dimono: You mean 4N2W to 5N2W? It's only a few extra moves to go through the doors, and considering that most players will only return there once at the most, I'm not sure if it's worth adding a shortcut which might break the architecture or make the room a bit more confusing. Of course, I'm open to persuasion though.
What tricks did I use, by the way ?

mason: Check my previous hints for 5N2W if you haven't already, and if you're still stuck try this:


Also, has anybody found the hold secret yet (you need the editor)?

DiMono
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Keeping the brain alive when it looks like the most obvious play is to kill it. My next long hold uses that a couple times, as does Tar Caves.

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masonjason
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Thanks, that last hint allowed me to get it.

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swann_88
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that was really easy
as usual I get a hint that leaves me feeling like a complete moron

Sim
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Sorry
I should have made the hint a bit more subtle

swann_88
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no I am talking about the solution not the hint
it was not meant to be a comment about you at all

Sim
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Oops oh well

Doom
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I just completed this hold. (Yeeha, I didn't even need hints!) But there were some difficult rooms.
And I must admit that this hold was great work.

But I never found the hold secret because the stairs took me back to the beginning. (I'm glad they're going to fix the stair bug) So I can't open it in editor...

masonjason
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Likewise. A truly excellent hold, the most original I've played in a while. The absence of combat rooms was very refreshing.

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Scott
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That hint for 5N2W was what I needed thanks.