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Actually, that was the hold. Here's the demo.

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Thanks.
If you've completed all you can find on level 3 and the blue door hasn't opened, the reason is towards the bottom of the first page of this thread. I'm attaching an encrypted zipfile of the editable version of this hold. If you have a good reason, I'll PM you with the password. Joker, I assume you want it?

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You assume right. I PMd you about it.

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I'm stuck on 1S3W in the third level..




[Edited by TripleM on 02-24-2004 at 09:47 AM GMT]

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TripleM wrote:

Click here to view the secret text

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But then only beethro can hit the orb, blocking both you and the mimic away from the tar.

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edited, forget that, I never realised , for some reason!

[Edited by TripleM on 02-24-2004 at 09:07 PM GMT]

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I have a problem in what I assume is level 3 (The king's surrealist domain), 1W. This is with the version available on the first page.

There is no possible combination that would open all the doors in the spiral (the one around the orb that I hope opens the door next to the bottom left roach queen). I've even written a program to test all possible combinations.

However, one of the orbs (the sixth from the top of the column) only toggles two doors (the one on either side of the top-left corner). If it were to toggle three doors as all the other doors then there would be a solution.

Could this be a reoccurence of your earlier orb trouble ?

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That's part of the puzzle, dude.



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joker5 wrote:

That's part of the puzzle, dude.

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×What else can kill the stuff inside?

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Killing stuff is not the problem, I just have that bottom-left roach queen left to kill. Accessing the orb that will give access to it is the problem.

However, now that you mention it I guess I could put the mimick in the centre of the spiral, use it to toggle the orb and then lead it through the breakable wall to the trapdoors area. If that is the intended solution, though, I don't think it's fair on the player considering you have to:
- fight several goblins,
- fight a few hords of brained roaches,
- solve a little trapdoor puzzle with your mimick,
- solve a little orb toggle puzzle for the top area,
- attempt to solve an 8-orbs toggle puzzle
to realise it's all a red herring and start the whole room all over again.

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joker5 wrote:

That's part of the puzzle, dude.

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Actually, it's not. Thanks for pointing out another bug. Each of those orbs is meant to control three doors.
In the intended solution, the mimic is needed for something else.

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Rats. I

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Similarly, in 1S the orb immediately right of the door in the long row of orbs does nothing.

Note that I've ended up with a corrupted dat file after playing the Oversight. I don't know if the two are related.

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gds wrote:
Similarly, in 1S the orb immediately right of the door in the long row of orbs does nothing.

Note that I've ended up with a corrupted dat file after playing the Oversight. I don't know if the two are related.

A couple of the orbs in that room do nothing; that's intentional. If I've corrupted your data file, I'm sorry. Maybe people will start calling me:
THE HARBINGER OF ORB-RELATED DEATH!

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Don't worry about the data corrpution. Thankfully, the backup was only ten minutes old

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masonjason wrote:

joker5 wrote:

That's part of the puzzle, dude.

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Actually, it's not. Thanks for pointing out another bug. Each of those orbs is meant to control three doors.
In the intended solution, the mimic is needed for something else.

Hmm, I did it the way stated above too (using the mimic to hit the orb then go for the trapdoors).. so it was meant to be easier?
1S1W is really annoying me at the moment. Is there meant to be any trick or is it just slash slash slash?

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I need some help on lvl 2 1S and 2S. I can't work out how to get past the roach in 1S and on 2S I can't seem to get far enough infront of a tar baby to get it in with the snake.

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The maneuver is REALLY esoteric. What you need to do is

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Sorry. That's for 1s. For 2s

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Thanks. I actually managed to work out 2S before reading your hint but 1S I needed. On to level 3.

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Doh after all that I have the version that the blue door won't open in. Well I guess I am done cause I don't feel like doing it all again.

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I'll PM you the password for the editable version, Scott.

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Right. This is almost ready to go up, but there's still one room I'm not sure about, namely 3rd level 1W. Would people mind downloading this modified version and telling me how they solve it now?
I've decided to leave the orbs as is, since I can't think of a way to make the player use the mimic for its intended purpose.

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I still didn't use the spiral to kill the goblins. I can post the demo if you want.

Also, I would urge you to repair the orb or change the design of the room. The way I try to solve the room the first time was by putting the mimic on the free square among the trapdoors. This seem to me to be the logical solution, but if you do that the room is unsolvable, something that you can only realise much later on.
Another solution would be to replace that free square by a trapdoor.

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Yes, please do post the demo. I might replace that square with a trapdoor as well, although I do think it detracts from the puzzle value. It is, after all, a legitimate decoy. What do other people think?

[Edited by masonjason on 02-29-2004 at 03:33 PM GMT]

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Here is the demo.

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Either there's something seriously wrong, or that's a demo of you getting killed by a roach. But I see how you were doing it, anyway.
How about now?

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Demo attached for latest room.

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I see. Thanks.
Maybe now?

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I hope this demo works better than the last one. I killed the goblins in the 3 squares wide corridor at the bottom-left.

I still think you should do something about that orb. While decoys are fine, with 8 orbs, that 256 combinations you have to test before finding out it is a decoy.

[Edited by gds on 03-01-2004 at 07:11 PM GMT: forgot attachment]

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I think you forgot to attach it.

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