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Do wraithwings on top of tar count? How about tar babies on top of walls?

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Questions about the problem should be posted in the thread just so that people here don't get confused.

All the info is in the thread, especially in the UDCT at the end of it.

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I have the solution (edited, as I found an error and changed my logic):

Everything that follows is based on what I have witnessed in game, and been able to create using the editor. Since the puzzle specs said different roach egg states can exist together, that's how I ran my logic.


If the 2x2 is taken up by a pillar (or tree, or whatever), then it can either be covered by tar or not. This is 2 combinations, since tar mothers cannot exist on obstacles. It could also be taken up by 15 combinations of tar babies (since no babies is the same as no tar), giving 17 so far.

There are some floor types that can only be inhabited by wraithwings:

9 pits without wraithwing
72 pits with wraithwing
(8 force arrow directions, 8 wraithwing orientations)
This gives 81 possibilities that can only be inhabited by wraithwings

There are some floor types that can only be inhabited by tar babies:

9 crumbly walls without tar baby
9 crumbly walls with tar baby
9 red doors without tar baby
9 red doors with tar baby
9 blue doors without tar baby
9 blue doors with tar baby
9 green doors without tar baby
9 green doors with tar baby
9 walls without tar baby
9 walls with tar baby
(these 9s come from different force arrow directions)
This gives 90 possibilities that can only be inhabited by tar babies

There are types of floor that can be inhabited by anything not a snake:

9 floors
9 trapdoors
9 open doors
9 closed doors
(8 force arrow directions)
8 scrolls (5 doors, crumbly walls, trapdoors, open floor)
This gives 44 open floor types

There are 5 monsters with 8 different orientations:
Wraithwing
Goblin
Roach
Roach Queen
Evil Eye

There are 3 monsters with 1 orientation:
Spider
Tar Baby
Brain

This gives 43 monsters that can be on those 44 open floor types, which is 1892 combinations

There are types of floor that cannot be inhabited by anything, that don't have tar:

orb
8 mimic potions
8 invisibility potions
(these 8s come from the five doors, crumbly walls, trapdoors, and open floor)
This gives 17 uninhabitable areas

Finally, roach eggs can exist in 3 states, only on open floor. Since the specs for the question say they can all exist independently from each other, I'll treat them like any other square

(checkpoints not included)

This gives 2091 total combinations, not including Beethro, snakes or tar. Since there are 4 squares, the total combinations of these combinations is 2091*2091*2091*2091, which is 19116841142961


If there is a complete tar mother in the area, it is either in the top half or the bottom half. This means we can take orientations for one of these, and multiply by 2. A tar mother can be on the following floor types:

floor
trap door
open yellow door
closed yellow door
This means there are 4 options for each square under the tar mother, which leaves 4*4=16
Ignoring snakes and tar, there are 2091 possibilities for each of the other 2 squares, so we take 16*2091*2091 with the tar mother in the top, then double it since the tar mother could be in the bottom. This adds 139912992 to our answer.

Supposing there's a snake of length 2 in with the tar mother:
It can either face left or right, and each square can either be floor, trap door, open yellow door or closed yellow door. This leaves 4*4 for the floor, *2 for the snake orientation, *16 for the tar mother gives 512*2(tar mother in top or bottom) = 1024 added to our answer

Supposing there's tar in the other 2 squares:

Tar can be on anything except pit, which is 10 possibilities. 10*10*16(mother)*2(mother location) gives 3200 added to our answer


Now, supposing there is a snake but no tar mother. The snake can either be 2, 3, or 4 long, in 8 orientations in each case. This means we can calculate the possible combinations for each length in a given snake orientation, then just multiply the numbers by 8 for the actual total.

Snakes can be on 4 square types:
floor
trap door
open yellow door
closed yellow door

If the snake is length 4, this is 4*4*4*4*8(orientation) gives 2048

If the snake is length 3, this is 4*4*4*2091*8(orientation) gives 1070592

If the snake is length 2, this is 4*4*2091*2091*8(orientation) gives 559651968


This is a total of 19117541784802 combinations


One last thing still unconsidered is the possibility of a stray tar mother eye. There are 8 possible ways for this to happen: left/right eye in one of the 4 corners. This gives the following, which will all be multiplied by 8 at the end:

Tar mothers can still only exist on 4 types of square.

If the rest of the room is a snake, this gives 4*4*4*4*2(snake orientation) which is 512

If the room has a snake of length 2, this gives 4*4*4*2091*2(snake direction)*2(snake position) which is 535296

If the room has no snake, then excluding tar this gives 4*2091*2091*2091 which is 36569758284

Since there cannot be stray tar, if it's present then it must occupy the other 3 squares. This gives 4*10*10*10 which is 4000

This means the number getting multiplied by 8 is 36570298092, which gives 292562384736

Adding the underlined numbers together gives us 19410104169538 absolute total combinations.


Assuming 60 minutes to an hour, 24 hours to a day, and that a year is 365.2425 days, it would take 38,820,208,339,076 minutes to do this all, or 647003472317.96666... hours, or 26,958,478,013.2472222... days, or 73,809,805.8502151918854520550653941... years for the workers to finish

[Edited by DiMono on 01-11-2004 at 10:05 PM GMT]

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Let's go discuss it in the original thread or someone may shout at me for hijacking this one.

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Hijack back!

Mattcrampy can go since he was just too slow.

Putting this on the recent page, Onei's comment got lost on #16.

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All right then, some more easy ones.

One of these words is not like the others, one of these words does not belong!

Aunt
Father
Uncle
Daughter
Sister
Cousin
Mother

Which is the odd one out, and why?


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Aunt? The rest are two syllables.

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No, that's not it.

This sort of thing always happens with odd-one-out puzzles, but there is an association that's a bit less tenuous.

With any luck, this will last longer than an hour!

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[Edited by Mattcrampy on 01-12-2004 at 02:19 PM GMT]

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Then how about Cousin, as it doesn't imply gender, while the rest do?

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Dang. Yeah, that's it. You're up.

Right, I have to find a puzzle that's actually hard.

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There are 5 houses in a row in five different colors. In each house lives a person with a different nationality. These 5 owners drink a certain drink, smoke a certain brand of tobacco and keep a certain pet. No owners have the same pet, smoke the same tobacco, or drink the same drink.

The question is: Who owns the fish? (Well... to prevent guessing, add in what he drinks, smokes, and which color house)

* The Brit lives in the red house
* The Swede keeps dogs as pets
* The Dane drinks tea
* The green house is on the left of the white house
* The green house owner drinks coffee
* The person who smokes Pall Mall raises birds
* The owner of the yellow house smokes Dunhill
* The man living in the house right in the center drinks milk
* The Norwegian lives in the first house
* The man who smokes Blends lives next to the one who keeps cats
* The man who keeps horses lives next to the one who smokes Dunhill
* The owner who smokes Bluemaster drinks juice
* The German smokes Prince
* The Norwegian lives next to the blue house
* The man who smokes Blend has a neighbor who drinks water.


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Gar, logic problems. I'm really good at these, so I'll wait for the next one.

Besides, everyone knows it's Mister Green in the Library with the Wrench

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Is that a guess or an accusation?

Because I've got the wrench.

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The german has the fish.

1st house (yellow): A Norwegian who drinks water, smokes Dunhill, and has cats.
2nd house (blue): A Dane who drinks tea, smokes Blend, and has horses.
3rd house (red): A Brit who drinks milk, smokes Pall Mall, and has birds.
4th house (green): A German who drinks coffee, smokes Prince, and has fish.
5th house (white): A Swede who drinks juice, smokes Bluemaster, and has dogs.

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Arr...just too late. That's the answer I got too though.

[Edited by zex20913 on 01-12-2004 at 06:23 PM GMT]

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... and you're both correct. This puzzle was created by Albert Einstein. He claimed that only about 2% of people could solve it. I hope it's not true, because it's really not that hard, compared to many logic puzzles I've seen.


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Huh. No, I don't think that's true...

Okay, my turn then. I don't have any real puzzles handy (sorry, I'll go find some till next time), but here's a little fake paradox for ya (I hope it doesn't break the math rule, it's pretty elementary):
         x = y
       x^2 = xy       (Multiply both sides by x)
 x^2 - y^2 = xy - y^2 (Subtract y^2 on both sides)
(x+y)(x-y) = y(x-y)   (Factor)
     (x+y) = y        (Divide by common factor (x-y))
       y+y = y        (Substitute x = y)
        2y = y        (etc)
         2 = 1        (Divide by y)

How is this possible ?
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trick wrote:
I don't have any real puzzles handy (sorry, I'll go find some till next time), but here's a little fake paradox for ya (I hope it doesn't break the math rule, it's pretty elementary)

Well, this is pretty borderline, but I guess it only really relies on basic Algebra which most people get in High School, so I'll allow it. Because it's a "fake paradox" as you say, I should think that someone without too much training would be able to see it eventually.

But for the record, I know the answer if it doesn't get solved in 24 hours. :)

Game on,

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trick wrote:
Huh. No, I don't think that's true...

Okay, my turn then. I don't have any real puzzles handy (sorry, I'll go find some till next time), but here's a little fake paradox for ya (I hope it doesn't break the math rule, it's pretty elementary):
         x = y
       x^2 = xy       (Multiply both sides by x)
 x^2 - y^2 = xy - y^2 (Subtract y^2 on both sides)
(x+y)(x-y) = y(x-y)   (Factor)
     (x+y) = y        (Divide by common factor (x-y))
       y+y = y        (Substitute x = y)
        2y = y        (etc)
         2 = 1        (Divide by y)

How is this possible ?

Since x = y, x-y = 0, so first, both sides of the blue equation = 0. The mistake is in the red equation where dividing anything by 0 leads to infinity, so you should have got infinity on both sides [(y/(x-y)) and (x+y)/(x-y) = infinity] multiplied by 0 since (x-y)/(x-y) = 0, which still makes both sides 0.

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I'll answer for trick: you are correct, and this time you have to post a puzzle, sorry, no foisting it off on anyone else. :D

Game on,

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Since this is my topic, I am hereby reserving the right to post an absolutely useless post as the 500th post in this topic. I don't think I used the word "post" enough in that last sentence, though. Post post post post. There, that's better.

Here's to 500 more in this topic!

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Oneiromancer wrote:
I'll answer for trick: you are correct, and this time you have to post a puzzle, sorry, no foisting it off on anyone else. :D

Game on,
You're worse than Watcher in terms of cruelty!

Alright. I've got a puzzle, but since the rules state I must know the solution before I post, I'll squirrel at it myself and then post. It's more mathematical, although you don't need to know more than basic volume calculations to do it. Stay patient, everyone!

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Oneiromancer wrote:
Here's to 500 more in this topic!

Whoa.....it seems like just yesterday when there were 200. ;)

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I'm gonna jump in with a puzzle of my own.

A tree falls in the woods. How many squirrels does it kill?

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The answer is 0.

Since the squirrels died there was no one to see the tree fall therefore it didn't fall so no squirrels died.
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I'm gonna jump in with a puzzle of my own.

A tree falls in the woods. How many squirrels does it kill?

It depends, was it one of the Puzzle Tag hijacking squirrels?



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The answer is 0.

Since the squirrels died there was no one to see the tree fall therefore it didn't fall so no squirrels died.

How does that work?????

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The squirrels saw the tree falling, as they were thinking, "hello, why's the world going sideways all of a sudde--", so then the tree did fall. It's also quite possible a squirrel was on the other side of the tree observing it, so it would have fully fallen, and thus made a sound, so it would have died.

It is therefore indeterminate.

Yes, I do have too much time on my hands. Why do you ask?

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Mattcrampy wrote:
The squirrels saw the tree falling, as they were thinking, "hello, why's the world going sideways all of a sudde--", so then the tree did fall. It's also quite possible a squirrel was on the other side of the tree observing it, so it would have fully fallen, and thus made a sound, so it would have died.

It is therefore indeterminate.

Yes, I do have too much time on my hands. Why do you ask?

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To try and drag this back on topic wheres that puzzle you were going to post?
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