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Hi,

I am not sure if this has been noted before, but I would like to know if it's possible (and if not, if it can be implemented in future TSS versions).

Say that I built a hold named hold A and created the levels with an old username. Even if I use the current username, the game will say the name and date that the old builder gave. Now, for this hold A I have a lot of demos for most of the rooms.
If I create with my new username a hold B , and then copy-paste all of the rooms from hold A , theoretically speaking, the demos should work, since the room it's the same.
However, even if I export and then import the demos, in hold B they are not seen.
So, how do demos exactly work? If they are just a recording of certain moves (e.g. 8877qqww25544...) I could import any demo in any hold. I understand this would be pointless, but it might be useful when I have the same rooms in different hold.

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hyperme
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This probably isn't workable because of the complexities.

A demo is just a sequence of commands with some extra data. However, one of those pieces of data is a reference to a saved game. A save includes a bunch of data including state information about the player (role, shallow water state) and hold variables. You can't have a demo without that information, because it could change how the player interacts with things or how scripts run.

While the player state is hold agnostic, hold variables aren't, which probably makes this idea a non-starter.

I'll also add that cross-hold variable copying works in the editor because you have guaranteed access to both holds, which includes the mapping from the user-visible variable names to the internal variable ids.

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Xindaris
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I can't help but feel like it would be useful sometimes, or even fun, to be able to make a "stripped down" demo that really is just a list of inputs, and be able to "insert" it into any desired room.

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disoriented
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I kinda wrote a tool to do this, based on some existing code that was posted on this forum.

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hyperme
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"Put the commands in this demo onto the clipboard" and "execute what's on the clipboard" might be more workable. Not amazing UX but that's how things are sometimes.

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Xindaris wrote:
I can't help but feel like it would be useful sometimes, or even fun, to be able to make a "stripped down" demo that really is just a list of inputs, and be able to "insert" it into any desired room.

Yes, that is the thing that I had in mind. I tried to look at the forum post disoriented linked to, but could not figure out if it is possible or not.

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disoriented
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My solution is Mac-specific. It reads a demo's moves (see post I linked to earlier), and creates an AppleScript macro that sends keystrokes to the game. For example:

on run {input, parameters}
    activate application "DROD TSS"
    delay 3
    tell application "System Events"
        tell process "DROD TSS" to delay 0.1
key code 88
delay 0.1
 keystroke "w"
delay 0.1
 key code 88
delay 0.1
 keystroke "q"
delay 0.1
 key code 92
delay 0.1
 key code 91
delay 0.1
.
.
.
key code 87
delay 0.1
    end tell
    return input
    end run

The list of key codes can be found here.
However it's against the forum rules to submit CaravelNet demos for high scores using any sort of automated tool, so don't do that.


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