Dragon Fogel
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So here's my failed demo. You can probably see what I'm trying:



Thoughts on 1N1E hints:

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Trying another approach to 1S. This did not work either, but it gave me a vague idea for something that would:



I don't see a way to pull that off, but it's an idea that would work if I could do it.

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Alright, I'm back!
The deadlines have been met and I'm now breathing easier, so DROD architecture is back on the menu

@Fogel: Both of your approaches for 1S are way away from my intentions. I won't say they are impossible, but they sure look so
Earlier on, in one of your first comments you said "but I'm guessing the idea is not to drop the highlighted trapdoors?", which is in fact false and I should have flagged it for you immediately.

The idea there was to have those trapdoors be the ones your first pass drops.
So I ask, should I make the highlight a different colour to signal this? Or replace the trapdoors with pit and add some kind of a one-time-tunnel passage to the other side?
What do you think would help in this regard?

It might take me a while to regain my footing here with where the needed upgrades are, bear with me. (But hopefully by the time I get a useful tip for this, I'd have managed to progress.)

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Wait, I was just supposed to drop those first? And here I thought this was a secret because you were asking for something extremely nonsensical but nonetheless possible. That approach sounds pretty similar to what I did in the original room. I should be able to get a successful demo soon in that case.

Removing the trapdoors and forcing a one-way trip through some other mechanism for the first pass is probably the simplest way. But it was really only an issue because the dialogue hasn't been written yet.

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Dragon Fogel wrote:
Wait, I was just supposed to drop those first? And here I thought this was a secret because you were asking for something extremely nonsensical but nonetheless possible.

No. Damn, sorry for making you do silly things

Dragon Fogel wrote:
That approach sounds pretty similar to what I did in the original room. I should be able to get a successful demo soon in that case.

Great to hear so!
The challenge of this room is mostly done by the removal of two of the diagonals, which was the intention, not some insane tarstuff baby blockade
Although I do admit, if there IS a solution like that, hats off to the one who can do it.

Dragon Fogel wrote:
Removing the trapdoors and forcing a one-way trip through some other mechanism for the first pass is probably the simplest way. But it was really only an issue because the dialogue hasn't been written yet.

I'm still thinking about other enforcement mechanisms and whether to guide the player with some of those.
I guess I'll see what your solution is first.

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Got it. There were some tricks in the way I did it that I wasn't quite expecting, but it was satisfying to work out.

I suppose the way I was attempting it before really fit the "misunderstood" part of the title.

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Dragon Fogel wrote:
Got it. There were some tricks in the way I did it that I wasn't quite expecting, but it was satisfying to work out.

Good job!
Unfortunately, since you had the older version, your pickaxe->caber switch done on the edge of the trapdoors didn't go through and so the demo is corrupted on my end. Oh well.
But I can see where it was going and from that point it's routine to finish.
One thing I didn't expect nor account for is to

Dragon Fogel wrote:
I suppose the way I was attempting it before really fit the "misunderstood" part of the title.

Uh oh Let's not push the misunderstandings even further!

I hope that I can put the next version out during this weekend with some reworked hints and hopefully some accompanying text for 1S too.