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Well, what do you think I'm doing here?

Of course! I need your witty comments, room-breaking skills and helpful feedback.

If you have a spare hour or so, I'd be very happy if you could play around with this a bit and share your opinion.

Edit: send to HA

Many thanks.

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11-21-2019 at 01:55 PM
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I think it's a really great concept! In particular, I liked the rock golem - water skipper switcher and roach - goblin switchers the most.

The only bug I sense with these is that switching many monsters at once gives you a combo display, but I know that's just because the script has to use "Attack Tile" to delete the old monsters. I guess it kind of makes sense because you did kill them, albeit indirectly?

Unfortunately, I couldn't complete the rooms, but I think I might be able to myself by next week or somebody else might comment too.

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11-22-2019 at 01:41 PM
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Very original and creative !! Liked it very much
Are you planning on adding a level ? has so much potential
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11-23-2019 at 08:42 PM
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Thanks azb and KituU. I will try to look at your feedback this week.

I can already state that I do not intend to build another level. Yes, I guess this element has lots of potential, but somehow, I don't seem to have too many more puzzle ideas. So I'd like to publish this first attempt and perhaps inspire others to use it.

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11-25-2019 at 08:58 AM
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I made some edits to the hold (attached new version above. Reply to your comments below.

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...switching many monsters at once gives you a combo display...

I have not noticed this. Indeed, you need to get rid of the old monster and then generate a new one at the same tile. Will see if I can reproduce this.
Incidentally: after a swap, monsters will stand still for one move. While this is presented as a feature, I'd rather have them start moving right away, but this is not possible when using the
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11-26-2019 at 09:34 AM
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RE: Combo display funkiness

How to reproduce:

1. Create a room with 5 or more of one monster type (5 roaches, 5 goblins, 5 golems etc) affected by the tokens.

2. Place a token that does said affecting.

3. Playtest the room, making sure to step on the token.

4. A message saying "5 (or however many monsters you placed) Combo!" should appear for each time you swap the monsters between their changed and original state.

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Thanks for clarifying azb.

I thought that you had found some visual lag or clutter when to many monsters were swapped simultaneously. But now I understand what you mean. I didn't even notice this behaviour before :)

I'll see if I can think of a workaround for this, but I don't think that's possible.

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Solution: Turn off "combo display" option in settings :P

Seriously though, the combo thing doesn't actually affect game play so it's probably fine.

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11-26-2019 at 03:33 PM
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Yes, I don't think there is a workaround, given that the combo display is hard coded into the game, and there is no way to get rid of monsters in a scripted manner besides "Attack Tile".

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Hi, demos and comments
About "after a swap, monsters will stand still for one move. While this is presented as a feature, I'd rather have them start moving right away" . Maybe changing this will break some rooms
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11-29-2019 at 12:28 AM
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Hi, demos and comments
About "after a swap, monsters will stand still for one move. While this is presented as a feature, I'd rather have them start moving right away" . Maybe changing this will break some rooms
Yes, it's a feature. But not a feature I necessarily like :) The point is: when swapping the monster, I use 'generate entity'. Monsters that are placed with this command, only start moving the next turn. Nothing to be done, unfortunately.
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11-29-2019 at 02:19 PM
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4N :..I'll change the positions of the tokens, so that solving by accident is less likely.

Yes, and maybe the trapdoors could be dropped in a less predetermined loop?

2N : the manipulation of the roach is very simple.


11-29-2019 at 04:18 PM
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A new update in the first post, solving some of the issues.

Difficulty is quite random throughout the level. I'm fine with that. It's basically just a short exercise in/introduction to Swap-o-trons.

Tnx so far KituU.

Azb: do you happen to have any demos?

I'd like to see more than one player testing these rooms. So, if anybody is bored :yes

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I've completed everything so far.
Pretty neat.

<---- If you want demos, here you go.
Edit: demos removed after architect got the chance to see them.

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12-01-2019 at 05:20 AM
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Tnx mxvladi, very useful comments.

I think I'm pretty much done with this. I don't intent to conjure up some more levels. Really a show-case for this custom element.
Will send this to HA somewhere next week, when no-one objects.

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