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Maurog wrote:
Umm, what about diagonal grid doors like you got in Dugan's snake levels? JtRH won't treat them as one door, so will it like, translate this into a button which commands all of them, or will just the door that the button is physically linked to be switched? Is there a limit to how many doors a button controls in JtRH?

There hasn't been a limit on how many doors can be controlled by each orb since DROD:AE. And when JtRH imports an AE hold, it will add orb associations to maintain the same behavior. The only difference you should see is lightning bolts going from the orb to all door components rather than just one, but considering that the graphics engine has been redone anyway, that may not be so noticable.

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Maurog wrote:
Umm, what about diagonal grid doors like you got in Dugan's snake levels? JtRH won't treat them as one door, so will it like, translate this into a button which commands all of them?

Yes, that's right.

Is there a limit to how many doors a button controls in JtRH?

608 doors.

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mrimer wrote:

Is there a limit to how many doors a button controls in JtRH?

608 doors.

Just to forestall questions, (38*32)/2 = 608.

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Oneiromancer wrote:

mrimer wrote:

Is there a limit to how many doors a button controls in JtRH?

608 doors.

Just to forestall questions, (38*32)/2 = 608.

... which is twice the limit of 304 doors in DROD:AE!

[Edited by AlefBet at Local Time:12-14-2004 at 05:27 PM]

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...Which should increase the move requirement of upcoming longest possible rooms by a lot moves

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I have 3 questions:

1) Can levels be connected, i.e. have to different start points joind by steps? Or will to copies of the same level need to be made to achieve the same outcome?

2) Will/Can the entire level map be displayed at the start of a level, or is it on an 'appear on the map when you enter it' basis?

3) Can orbs affect doors in other rooms/levels

All of these may have been answered before, so I apologise for this of course.

Ta.



[Edited by geomatrx at Local Time:12-16-2004 at 01:35 PM]

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geomatrx wrote:
1) Can levels be connected, i.e. have to different start points joind by steps? Or will to copies of the same level need to be made to achieve the same outcome?

In JtRH you are able to make multiple start points, and multiple stairs in each level. There are even up stairs now which are useful for making a tower (or if you want to have the player backtrack through the levels).

geomatrx wrote:
2) Will/Can the entire level map be displayed at the start of a level, or is it on an 'appear on the map when you enter it' basis?

They appear on entrance, just like DROD:AE.

geomatrx wrote:
3) Can orbs affect doors in other rooms/levels

No.

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Thanks Zmann, have some responses below:

Zmann wrote:

geomatrx wrote:
1) Can levels be connected, i.e. have to different start points joind by steps? Or will to copies of the same level need to be made to achieve the same outcome?

In JtRH you are able to make multiple start points, and multiple stairs in each level. There are even up stairs now which are useful for making a tower (or if you want to have the player backtrack through the levels).

Cool! Now, If I start to make a hold in AE, and then I import to JTRH, will I be able to make use of this feature on my imported hold?

Zmann wrote:

geomatrx wrote:
2) Will/Can the entire level map be displayed at the start of a level, or is it on an 'appear on the map when you enter it' basis?

They appear on entrance, just like DROD:AE.

Again, cool? But when you return to a previous level, or enter through another staircase, will the areas you have already discovered remain on the map?

Zmann wrote:

geomatrx wrote:
3) Can orbs affect doors in other rooms/levels

No.

OK. (Was expecting this one)

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geomatrx wrote:
Thanks Zmann, have some responses below:

Zmann wrote:

geomatrx wrote:
1) Can levels be connected, i.e. have to different start points joind by steps? Or will to copies of the same level need to be made to achieve the same outcome?

In JtRH you are able to make multiple start points, and multiple stairs in each level. There are even up stairs now which are useful for making a tower (or if you want to have the player backtrack through the levels).

Cool! Now, If I start to make a hold in AE, and then I import to JTRH, will I be able to make use of this feature on my imported hold?

Yes.

Zmann wrote:

geomatrx wrote:
2) Will/Can the entire level map be displayed at the start of a level, or is it on an 'appear on the map when you enter it' basis?

They appear on entrance, just like DROD:AE.

Again, cool? But when you return to a previous level, or enter through another staircase, will the areas you have already discovered remain on the map?

They will remain on the map.



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Great! I better get cracking then. Only [unknown period of time between 3-6 months/] to go

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About this character scripting stuff... Does it support what I would call "relative" scripting ? Especially relative positions ?


Say, I want my character to jump up and say "Baaaah!" when there's a goblin 2 squares to the left.

Then I want it to move and stay 2 north from that goblin.

Or perhaps I'm going to make a room where one nasty character controlling mimics and trying to hunt me down. (Possible to make one character mimic other's moves ?)


? ? ? ?

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Nope. You have to pick one absolute spot for things to move to.

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If you are interested in buying the Boxed version of JtHL, will we be able to recieve them around (before/after) the exact date it comes out?

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The CD version of JtRH will be available before or at the same time as the downloadable. We won't release the downloadable first, because I don't want people having buyer's remorse about not getting the deluxe CD version instead.

Kinda like when I bought the Special Elite Collectors Edition of Fellowship of the Rings, and then there was a month later the Really Special Previous Release Was Crap Collectors Edition of Fellowship of the Rings for me to buy. Unscrupulous greedmongers and their exploitation of segmented markets. Hate em.

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Yeah, gotta hate those unscrupulous greedm- wha? FREE HOBBIT FEET IN THIS EDITION?! It must be mine!

Probably best to release the CD version first to allow for postage time - I know I'd have a hard time taking the CD if I knew while I was waiting the downloadable version would be right there, teasing me every time I went on the site, telling me I could be playing right now, why don't I just pay the extra, it'll be worth it, come on, I know I want to...

[lucid] Hmm. I feel an idea coming to mind - really long postage times, anyone?

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ErikH2000 wrote:
the deluxe CD version

What exactly is it that makes the CD version deluxe?

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Edit: Whoops, didn't realize Erik wanted that kept secret until after I posted...

Game on,

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RoboBob3000 wrote:

ErikH2000 wrote:
the deluxe CD version

What exactly is it that makes the CD version deluxe?

It comes with lettuce, tomato, and fries.

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Honestly, I think people will be pleasantly surprised by what we intend to do with JtRH CD. It will definitely be more than just JtRH on a disc. For the sake of good showmanship, and because we don't know exactly what will be on it right now, I prefer to tell you later.

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eytanz wrote:

RoboBob3000 wrote:

ErikH2000 wrote:
the deluxe CD version

What exactly is it that makes the CD version deluxe?

It comes with lettuce, tomato, and fries.

If you're very lucky, it will also come with the limited edition fold-out model of Matt's basement (scaled down accordingly to allow it to fit in the box, of course).

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ErikH2000 wrote:
Honestly, I think people will be pleasantly surprised by what we intend to do with JtRH CD. It will definitely be more than just JtRH on a disc. For the sake of good showmanship, and because we don't know exactly what will be on it right now, I prefer to tell you later.

-Erik

With all due respect, I think you should reconsider this; those of us who don't want to have to get it shipped from America will feel like we're really missing out. If the extra material is software rather than physical, then maybe consider making it downloadable for people who have completed the downloadable version of JtRH?

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agaricus5 wrote:

eytanz wrote:

RoboBob3000 wrote:

What exactly is it that makes the CD version deluxe?

It comes with lettuce, tomato, and fries.

If you're very lucky, it will also come with the limited edition fold-out model of Matt's basement (scaled down accordingly to allow it to fit in the box, of course).

Or maybe they will send some alive miniature sized dungeon roaches and stuff, so that everyone can build their own real dungeon in their living room!

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I might just do that...

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Actually they've been sending miniature giant roaches to your house for a while now. You've just been mistaking them for regular roaches.

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Ah, those. I was wondering why someone was sending me insects. Does matt want them back, do you think?

Anyway, As long as this CD has the game I'm happy. But now I have broadband, I can just download it if possible!

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If you're very lucky, it will also come with the limited edition fold-out model of Matt's basement (scaled down accordingly to allow it to fit in the box, of course).

Of course, you don't actually need to scale it down to fit in the box, but then we have enough room for a cloth map.

We're not putting a cloth map in there, but there's room for it.

With all due respect, I think you should reconsider this; those of us who don't want to have to get it shipped from America will feel like we're really missing out. If the extra material is software rather than physical, then maybe consider making it downloadable for people who have completed the downloadable version of JtRH?

Well, not that I'm going to sort of blow the whole thing open (I've had a sternly worded letter), but remember that the CD isn't going to be a special edition sort of thing, so you might able to work out what sorts of things we'd put there (and more importantly, won't put there) if it's not going to be a special edition. It's a brainbender, I know, but then you play DROD so I guess you're used to puzzles grabbing your head and beating your brain on the table.

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Will the contents of one level be influenced by the contents of another in the same hold?

I mean, can I make a hold with one level connecting to two others but have the entrance to the third level (The second one the first is connected to) be only accessible one the second level (The first one the first is connected to) is done?

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You can't have what happens on one level influence another directly, although you could probably approximate this by using multiple stairways and blue doors.

Game on,

[Edited by Oneiromancer at Local Time:12-21-2004 at 12:14 AM]

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To expand, one easy way to do what you suggest is as follows:

Say level 1 is connected to levels 2 and 3.

Put a blue door in level 1 blocking the entrance to level 3. Have level 2 drop you back in level 1 in a room (or part of a room) that's inacessible otherwise. Hence, the blue door won't open until level 2 is solved.

You don't even need blue doors - if you're careful, green doors will do the trick (just make a room that can only be solved from one direction, put a green door in it that blocks the entrance to level 3, and make that direction only accessible from level 2).

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