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Iv washed a lot of movies in my life but the best movie iv seen is the princes bride.Ihavent washed so many movies but the princes bride is my favorite the thing i like abdout the movie is the scton and the swords
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minimike98 wrote:
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means...

np: Jackie Leven - Scots John And The Eyelash (The Haunted Year - Summer - Barefoot Days)

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I'm starting to really like minimike's posts.

It's oddly refreshing in its candor.
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Briareos wrote:
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You keep using that word. I do not think it means what you think it means...

np: Jackie Leven - Scots John And The Eyelash (The Haunted Year - Summer - Barefoot Days)
I dunno. Maybe he's one of those people who cleans up old films for rerelease?
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Ok ok i well try to write bitter im just lucky that I dont have to do handwriting.
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I haven't got round to seeing Princess Bride yet -- loved the book though.

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Year its the fighting that atractes me.Thin thing i just cant get westly gets killed and that chamber than he cames back i dont get it?
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You're forgetting that Westley was only mostly dead. ;)

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Movies? I'm not really into movies. I AM a fan of Back to the Future, though. That one is cool, and I enjoy it even to this day.

Outside those, I have mixed opinions on the Harry Potter movie series. They're not bad, but I wish they tried to put in more from the book...

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Me and my brother are fans of back to the future.Its a good movie have any of you seen Iron man its awsame
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I didn't.

Personally, I tend to stick far from nowadays' movies. Unless I know a lot about the series it's based on, I won't watch the movie.

Although I am starting to gain interest in the past's horror movies such as Halloween, Friday 13th and Nightmare on Elm Street (from the 80's, not the remakes), but I might not get to buy those until I'm older (It's not the gore, though. It's... something... else).

EDIT: I forgot to mention Stephen King's It. It's a promising movie, but no store has it here. D:

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Se that claws no jaws year that won its awsame
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I can usually understand what minimike's trying to say, but I simply can't in the preceding post.

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Snacko wrote:
I can usually understand what minimike's trying to say, but I simply can't in the preceding post.
Oh, good. Then what's "scton"?
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Then what's "scton"?
He means "action".

Minimike, you are most very welcome to use the "Edit/Delete" button under your posts. Go right ahead and fix them up so everyone can read them.
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Personally, I tend to stick far from nowadays' movies. Unless I know a lot about the series it's based on, I won't watch the movie.
What about movies that aren't based on anything previous? Inglorious Basterds was great, for instance, but other than very loosely being set in WW II there's not much previous material it was based on...

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Actually, that's a movie I didn't see either. I'm not quite into violence/gory/war stuff...

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I think that's a problem a lot of people have: they deprive themselves of an eclectic range of art as they know exactly what they are looking for. They are depriving themselves of the world outside of what they want to see, and it usually extends beyond fiction. The Media of the Message is dead, long live the Media of the Massage!

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I don't view that as a problem. One man's art is another man's "why is that fluorescent light on the wall diagonally...oh. You're kidding me".

And entertainment is almost by definition something that the person wants to do. To me, movies are entertainment. Some try to be artsy, but they're trying to entertain the people who think that movies are art.

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It is still self-imposed censorship and voluntary ignorance, and it almost surely extends beyond film. Even McLuhan (and I am disappointed that you didn't get the reference, but then again so few children read today) stated that entertainment was in many ways at the core of the problem, that leisure was suddenly an escape rather than an attempt at genuine fulfillment. We are breeding a need for instant gratification, and if people take only what they want to hear, they are easy to manipulate, and so we have illegitimate mulatto children, weapons of mass destruction and death panels. You don't have to burn books to destroy a culture. Just get people to stop reading them.

Funny, today none of O'Neil's plays are banned in Boston, although most were "back in the day", and though that is a definite progression on a governmental level, the significant regression on the personal level makes it unnecessary, although Sophia Loren as Abbie Putnam is clearly blasphemous enough.

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Snacko, would you play the rape game that they made in japan? What about if it was the child rape game (assuming you could legally play it), and by that I mean before puberty.
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I do not believe there would be any merit in such a task, nor any artistic value or worthy perspective.

You seem to believe you have made a point, or at least that you have given the appearance of one, but are ignoring that my argument has long ago gone beyond the realm of fantasy and into the realm of perspective. I do not believe pretending to rape a child wouldin any way further my quest to better myself, as it presents neither artistic value nor does it offer a perspective on any relevant objective reality. I have thought much and I have considered much on what could drive someone to rape, and indeed have come to the conclusion that it is so deeply ingrained in the West's collective psyche that it may never be eradicated. Such an obvious, stereotypical depiction of the act would in no way benefit me where all action in its eradication would be focused on the idea of the male's sexual dominance. Even consentual sex is often described in violent terms ("[screw] her brains out"), and rape is often not even recognized when it happens, as it has become the norm. Just because someone doesn't say "no" they don't necessarily mean "yes".

I believe a more appropriate question would be, "Snacko, would you read On the Jews and Their Lies by Martin Luther?" and the answer would be yes, and I have. It highlights a very interesting, very contradictory prejudice in the world's most popular Abrahamic religion and indeed plants the seeds for the European Holocaust, an event that is as sickening to study as it is necessary to comprehend. It is an event that is borne of the fear of the different, of the need for power, and of pure mob mentality, always present, simply needing an enemy.

*spoilers*

Inglorious Basterds shows the Nazi Hive Mind in a new light, and indeed the film is very much a mirror, and glorifies the acts of violence against the Germans (both Nazis and non-Nazis) to such a point that we do not notice that Aldo Raine carving swastikas into the foreheads of Nazi survivors is so similar to the common act of carving a Shield of David into a rabbi's chest before his execution, until we are presented with a far more familiar parallel: the Nazi high command is burned alive, as are many Germans, both soldiers and innocents, and when we find ourselves taking an almost pornographic interest in the events, does that not prove that we are the same as the man who convinced himself that he was in the right as he was careful to only kill children who he reasoned would die anyway, if only due to the fact that his partner had killed the mother moments before?

*end spoilers*

As your question involved fiction (which I have already addressed), I am not sure if you know what I meant by refferring to "illegitimate mulatto children, weapons of mass destruction and death panels". These are all lies told by the recent neoconservative parties to further their own ends, though I don't believe most understand the purpose of the last one. The first was fabricated by Carl Rove, who during the 2000 Republican primary spread rumors that John McCain had fathered an illegitimate mulatto child. The next, weapons of mass destruction, also from the Bush administration, was another lie, this time that the US government had evidence that Iraq was stockpiling so-called "weapons of mass destruction", which was not only not true, but the weapons themselves turned out not to exist at all. The final, death panels, is a statement used often by health insurance companies, who would lose money should the government provide socialized health care (I hesitate to use the term, as people believe that a socialized is somehow in opposition to the American's Oligarchal concept of Democracy, despite the fact that one is predicated on equality while Capitalism requires financial inequality). They have stated that Barrack Obama's health care plan involves euthanization for the sick and eldery, which is a lie of course, but considering that the very mobs whipped into a frenzy by the term often choose the meetings created to clarify the plan to disrupt, it is not a surprise that the misconception is so common. One person even thought that the plan involved the government tampering with MediCare, something he was opposed, which I find absolutely delightful considering that MediCare is a government program.

People don't believe these things because it is the only information available. Indeed, most sources discount them as the lies they are, but people are so set in their ways that they will not only take the lier as the one source of truth, despite lacking any and all evidence, but will tirelessly promote the lie. It is the movement towards non-linear entertainment and information that has created a need for instant gratification, and many will take what they hear as the truth simply because they do not wish to clarify it.

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I think people should use rickrolling for the purposes of exposing people to perspectives different from their own, instead of songs from the 80s. (even though that is admittedly an admirable goal)
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My point is, ridiculing self censorship is going a bit too far. And what if the rape game was credited with making things feel really realistic, so that you could actually get into the mindset. Ignoring the potential controversy, would you play it?

Besides, to those who don't do media studies, most of the meaning of films is lost on us. I saw inglorious basterds and thought it was just an entertaining film done in the style of a eastern bloc action b movie. So other than entertainment, are they really missing anything by only watching a select few films?
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It is still self-imposed censorship and voluntary ignorance, and it almost surely extends beyond film. Even McLuhan (and I am disappointed that you didn't get the reference, but then again so few children read today)
Oh, for pity's sake, no need to sound so superior about it.

The thing is, there are things that I just plain don't like, even if I recognize that they're well-done. I don't enjoy first-person shooter games; I don't particularly like country music or rap; I don't like historical romances. And I don't see exactly why it is that I should spend time going through things that I'm not going to enjoy. If you enjoy them, knock yourself out; but don't sneer at me for not reading/watching/listening.
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I feel I must clarify:

I did not mean to criticize Jeff Ray in particular, simply what the self-censorship he engages in too often leads to, nor do I wish to entirely discount the value of sheer entertainment (as Rabscuttle seems to have implied). I do not know how Jeff Ray goes about his daily activities, simply that he has decided to limit himself to what he thinks he knows he will enjoy. I simply wish to highlight how much of McLuhan has come true, and why we should be worried about it.

If the rape game obtained any intellectual value, then yes, I would consider it worth playing, although I do not know Japanese, so my experience would likely be sadly limited.

And you seem to misunderstand what I said about the benefit of exposing yourself to a wide range of entertainment. I simply put forth my interpretation in order to support the preceding paragraph: again it is more the idea of limiting yourself to the familiar.

Anyway, as for movies I enjoy, I just saw Terry Gilliam's Brazil for the first time today as part of a class on theatrical innovation. It is one of those films that haunt your consciousness long after its conclusion, and the pitch-black satire it is famous for is combined with sheer masterful filmmaking. From its manically paced opening to its tragic, hauntingly surreal final scenes, it is an exercise in brilliance.

I also saw the much-lauded film adaptation of Edward Albee's Who's Afraid of Virginia Woolf, a play I have admired and loved for years. Despite its misguided attempt to present a variety of locations for a play clearly written for a unit set, it shines through as a solid performance of one of the most powerful plays of the 20th century, and its meditations on illusion, self-worth and the true meaning of the American Dream are more relevant today than ever.

I'll likely update this post later, but I have quite a bit of work to do and only have 10 hours before my next class.

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Without knowing why Jeff Ray chooses the movies he does, it is quite arrogant to jump to the assumption that he's secluding himself within his beliefs (if that, indeed, is the cause of why far right are acting the way they are. I'd argue that it's a symptom). He's got in interest in horror, for christ's sake, that's hardly the path to a neo-con. And from talking to him I know that he has a deep interest in animated tv series including family guy.
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I personally thing that the term "self-censorship" is misused here. For me (I like how Orwell described it in introduction to Animal Farm, though it wasn't an actual introduction to the book) self-censoring is an act, where one makes oneself don't do some action, because one/one's society finds it morally wrong (or something along these lines, my English hasn't woken yet). So, if I don't watch a movie because it clearly is something I am not going enjoy (and no, not because I am afraid they will change my look at the world) has nothing to do with self-censoring. That is how I see it at least.

Other than that, I feel offended by your statement a few posts above - "(and I am disappointed that you didn't get the reference, but then again so few children read today)" and also, please don't imply that we, caravelgames community, are people who believe everything the media serves us. And if I don't want to see a "difficult" movie only because I had and have enough difficulties in my life doesn't make me a media controlled person.

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So I thought the Super Mario Brothers movie was pretty good.

It had bob-ombs and didn't afraid of anything.
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The statement about reading was meant to offend you, however, please do not take my statements as personal insults: they are meant to comment on larger problems than your habits and if they are incorrect in application to your lifestyle than you should have no reason to object. Also, please ignore the seemingly inherent contradiction in the above paragraph: I am using such objectionable diction as a tool not an insult.

Anyway, I quite clearly stated that I don't know how Jeff Ray goes about his daily activities. Furthermore, I only used neoconservative tendencies as an example, there are plenty of ignorant liberals in the world as well, and even more ignorant political nihilists.

I would like to clarify that my statements are not meant to criticize anyone particular on this board: I have spoken to both Jeff Ray and NiroZ multiple times, and neither of them give off the impression that they represent a move to a self-imposed totalitarianism. One's statements at 2 in the morning only hours after seeing Brazil for the first time and concluding an especially introspective hour long walk involving epiphanies involving several women, a dead bird and a retired Broadway director (to clarify this is college, not a postmodern novel) will of course reflect some anxiety over where the world he has suddenly become so much closer to is headed.

Anyway, for another class I recently saw Gone With the Wind. Everything I heard about it gave the impression that it was going to be a typical, almost Victorian romance (not helped by the realization that the film is 238 minutes long), and was pleasantly surprised to find a wonderfully dark story concerning two wonderfully dark people in a not-so-wonderfully dark period of American history. It was also perfectly paced, keeping things consistently interesting throughout its impressive running time, wonderfully directed and had a sense of sheer scale that even today's special-effect driven movies fail to match. There are some images in the film (Scarlett standing in a wide road filled with hundreds of wounded Confederate soldiers, Rhett riding back into the chaos of battle in a rare moment of nobility, Scarlett vowing that she will do whatever it takes to survive, silhouetted against an orange background, Rhett's frightening drunken encounter with Scarlett) that I'm not sure will ever leave me. Yes, it glorifies the Old South, which never really went away, as a golden age forever lost to the patterns of progress, and sympathizes with a character who is driven by her own moral delusions to do evil, but perhaps we must allow ourselves to sympathize with Scarlett, if only to realize how easily someone is driven to act on greed in the name of success.

I've never seen The Princess Bride, is it more than scton and swords?

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