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You know the term "New and improved", correct? Well, I found it to be a bit of a break (as in shatter or destroy), because you can't improve something new, and you can't upgrade nothing into something. So, the term is broken when you think about it.

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the software engineer in me says, "well, it could be New to YOU but Improved from the beta release"

still, you're right, the phrase is a bit overboard. like most things that come from marketing.


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AlternativePuzzles wrote:
You know the term "New and improved", correct? Well, I found it to be a bit of a break (as in shatter or destroy), because you can't improve something new, and you can't upgrade nothing into something. So, the term is broken when you think about it.

I've been thinking about Pneh's remark, and I've made a new and improved definition.

a "New and improved" product is a product that is new (never in existence before) and improved from an older version, where the new product is a different product than the older version, even though it shows many similarities with an older version.

Note that whether the changes are labeled as an "improvement" is a matter of opinion from the creators/editors.

P.S. Note that just changing a product is modifying, not making new.

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I see it as this: If a teenager with his/her own style buys a pair of brand New jeans. Then maybe he/she want to Improve them by attacking them with scissors. And voala! New and Improved!

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That's exactly why I've never understood the fashion with jeans.

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Yeah, I wouldn't call that an improvement. But if one clips out the tags and draws some designs on them, then maybe. Anyway that's a matter of opinion and Pneh's point is clear and valid.

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For example, if Jatopian were to, say, change his avatar...It wouldn't matter one iota what image he came up with, as it would still be quite an "improvement" over the one he currently has. Correct? (Just teasing, of course.)

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Lamkin wrote:
For example, if Jatopian were to, say, change his avatar...It wouldn't matter one iota what image he came up with, as it would still be quite an "improvement" over the one he currently has. Correct? (Just teasing, of course.)

Now that's debatable, and it really depends on the perspective of the person. If someone rips a new pair of jeans, it may be an improvement to one person but not the other.

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Slightly related: I always found it funny that the back of the Warcraft III: The Frozen Throne box says "Command New Legendary Heroes". How can a hero be both new and legendary at the same time?

I suppose they could be legendary but still "new" in command, since you didn't command them earlier. Still, that's not how it read to me at first.

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Dang, do I wish I could play Warcraft III, but for that I'd need a "new and improved" computer.

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Yes, there are many exceptions to the fact that the term is wrong. Most of them are funny (I laughed at all of these posts in a good way), and they are good exceptions.

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Nillo wrote:
I suppose they could be legendary but still "new" in command, since you didn't command them earlier. Still, that's not how it read to me at first.

More like they're legendary all over the world, but they just moved here because their job back home just got outsourced to Cheaplabouristan...

Even legendary heroes can have career problems...

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