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Author Name:Neather2
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Hold Name:Slayers' end
Theme:Medium difficulty puzzles with a bit of story.
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Version:DROD: The City Beneath (3.2)
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04-28-2008 at 04:19 AM
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Yes. It's finally out ;)

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04-28-2008 at 05:55 AM
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I am a fan of Neather2.....
And this hold seems very interesting...
I go to play... ;)

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04-28-2008 at 09:38 AM
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fratropea wrote:
I am a fan of Neather2.....
And this hold seems very interesting...
I go to play... ;)

Thanks fratropea! :)

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04-28-2008 at 05:40 PM
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This is a fascinating hold...
Very good architecture, very difficult rooms but riveting...
Compliments! :thumbsup

I give 10 and 10! ;)
05-08-2008 at 12:07 AM
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So am I missing something or does this hold have a big backtracking issue in it?

Specifically:

If you solve Another Way: 2N1E you have to restore in order to solve 1N3E.

Unless I'm missing something, of course...

Josh



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05-12-2008 at 09:07 PM
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I am not aware of any remaining backtracking issues in this level. Here's what you might be missing:
Click here to view the secret text

If that's not your question, please explain more clearly.
05-12-2008 at 09:16 PM
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CuriousShyRabbit wrote:
I am not aware of any remaining backtracking issues in this level. Here's what you might be missing:
Click here to view the secret text

If that's not your question, please explain more clearly.

Click here to view the secret text


Josh

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05-12-2008 at 09:44 PM
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Oops! You're right.
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05-12-2008 at 09:49 PM
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Nice hold overall :D

This is a large hold with a lot of good puzzles.

The main problems I had with the hold were:
1. Could use more checkpoints.
2. Had some snake manipulation puzzles that were of questionable value.
3. Had a room that appeared impossible except that an unexplained scripted action occurs allowing it to be solved. The room being-
Click here to view the secret text

05-13-2008 at 06:15 PM
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*Slayers End* : Aumtlichs Cave : 2 North, 2 West should be marked unscorable due to the unkillable aumtlich.
05-27-2008 at 07:51 AM
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This hold has been updated to fix the nasty backtracking problem that jbluestein found in Another Way. The backtracking fix does not affect anyone's demos.

A huge thanks to Stefan for writing and explaining and re-explaining a new HA utility that enables normal non-genius HAs (like the Rabbit) to fix this hold. And a big thanks to Schik for updating the hold. :)

EDIT: I forgot to mention that this is now a 3.2 hold.

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08-22-2008 at 05:12 AM
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Rabscuttle wrote:
*Slayers End* : Aumtlichs Cave : 2 North, 2 West should be marked unscorable due to the unkillable aumtlich.
This has finally been taken care of, as well.

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08-22-2008 at 10:00 PM
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Well? No more comments?
I don't know if you like the hold, but i appreciate any positive or negative comment. :)

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02-20-2009 at 05:03 PM
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Neather2 wrote:
Well? No more comments?
I don't know if you like the hold, but i appreciate any positive or negative comment. :)
Thing is - the topic is too old. We don't search for outdated topics. U know, that would be silly.
02-20-2009 at 05:15 PM
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Yeah, it is, but the hold is...new.

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02-20-2009 at 05:15 PM
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Who is voting 1 and 3?

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02-20-2009 at 05:18 PM
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Neather2 wrote:
Who is voting 1 and 3?
Not me. I'll vote 10/10.
02-20-2009 at 05:20 PM
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That 1 and 3 is crashing my hold. Pmed mrimer.

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02-20-2009 at 05:20 PM
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Neather2 wrote:
That 1 and 3 is crashing my hold. Pmed mrimer.
He has nothing to do with it... u must be a bit crazy about it... Come on... :?
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02-20-2009 at 05:25 PM
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Nah, someone sayed me some time ago that moderators can elimitate idiots' votes.

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02-20-2009 at 05:29 PM
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Neather2 wrote:
Nah, someone sayed me some time ago that moderators can elimitate idiots' votes.
1)Mike is a GOD now. He owns Caravel. He is no moderator any longer...
2)Said. Not sayed... What bad grammar.
3)Well, maybe you're right...
02-20-2009 at 05:37 PM
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Actually it was Schick who removed votes that were not meant to be given (it was not, I think, about removing "idiots votes" but to check weather a vote was genuine). There was some trouble with voting in game, where people without realizing it gave votes of 1 for fun and 1 brain. That may have happened to your hold, and if so it might get fixed, but I think you should try to PM Schick instead of mrimer.
02-20-2009 at 05:48 PM
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Thanks.

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02-20-2009 at 05:51 PM
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Hey, 13, you're not the only person here who learned English as a second language. And you are most certainly in no position to criticise other people's grammar. Oh, and by the way:
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Interesting... no Hiragana or Kanji in it, just Katakana? Well, I'm sorry, but as much as you thought you just said "crazy crazy crazy" in Japanese, you only said the Katakana equivalent (ku-re-i-ji), which is how you would spell the english word in Japanese (ku-re-i-ji sounds like crazy). That is the word you would use in Japanese if you were saying that something was made by a company called "Crazy".

-1 for not only being a complete ass, but for also using Google Translate to help yourself do it. Have a nice day.


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02-20-2009 at 08:56 PM
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I think the current average of 6.8 fun for this hold is a fair rating, and it does not need to be changed. The "1" vote is possibly not an accurate description of a player's feelings about the whole hold, but neither are two of the "10" votes. They balance out perfectly. (Fratropea's "10" vote can stay, I'm not criticizing her vote. She is not the hold's architect, and she played it all the way through.)

Remember that 5 fun is supposed to mean "average" fun, like most other holds. The current rating of 6.8 is higher than that, indicating that players feel the hold is better than average. For this, Neather2 should feel proud, as I understand this hold is his first published hold. Congratulations!
02-21-2009 at 12:47 AM
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Yes, but an "1" can really down the vote of some points.

You can see:

If i get 10+8+5 i will get a 7.7
If someone vote 1, i will get 6.

It is a bit bad see 1.7 points less just why someone voted your hold "1"

And, you can see also:

If i get 8+6+1, i will get 5.
If someone vote 10, i will get 6.2.

The belance isn't perfect why get an 1 take 0.5 more then 10.



Ok, i'm a bit crazy.
Sorry.

O:-

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02-21-2009 at 05:58 AM
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Neather2 wrote:
Yes, but an "1" can really down the vote of some points.
Don't be too worried about it; as you get more votes, they will pull your rating towards whatever average most people think your hold deserves, and the outliers will become less important. Plus, many good holds will accumulate at least one "1" or "2" at some point for whatever reason, so this is a problem that affects everyone in a similar way.

For example, let us take an older hold with a larger number of votes called The Fool's Errand; it is currently in the top 50 holds ranked on popularity.

It currently has 43 votes. Of these, two were 1, three 5, 6 and 7 both have one, five voted 8, eleven voted 9 and an overwhelming twenty voted 10. The average is 8.58.
If the two "1" votes were not there, then the average would be 8.95, which is an increase of 0.37 points.

So, even the most popular holds will get unusual ratings that pull the average down (the hold otherwise has a really right-skewed distribution). Don't worry too much about your rating; give people time to play and cast their votes, and it will eventually reflect the general opinion of your hold better. In any case, a rating of 7 for a first hold is pretty good; it's more difficult to be a good architect than it looks!

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Kwakstur wrote:
Hey, 13, you're not the only person here who learned English as a second language. And you are most certainly in no position to criticise other people's grammar. Oh, and by the way:
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Interesting... no Hiragana or Kanji in it, just Katakana? Well, I'm sorry, but as much as you thought you just said "crazy crazy crazy" in Japanese, you only said the Katakana equivalent (ku-re-i-ji), which is how you would spell the english word in Japanese (ku-re-i-ji sounds like crazy). That is the word you would use in Japanese if you were saying that something was made by a company called "Crazy".

-1 for not only being a complete ass, but for also using Google Translate to help yourself do it. Have a nice day.
I edited that post... Try to understand now... HEHEHE! So what if i just *spelt* it BTW??? How can you know that i wanted to exactly say something? I might have wanted to spell it... :) ... Bleh. Never thought that ANYONE here knows japanese
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02-21-2009 at 02:45 PM
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Thanks. I'm working on another one, infact.

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