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Oops, my mistake in third room. I'll upload a new version in few minutes.

I've not played them yourself yet. the move amounts given were only estimates of quick testing.

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Here's some victory demos for the long rooms. Be warned, they're incredibly boring to watch...

Demo stats:
The Entrance: 2192 moves, 13:03
1E: 18244 moves, 34:42
1S1E: 34617 moves, 1:20:51

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Stefan wrote:
1S1E: 34617 moves, 1:20:51

Wow....I see you found a heavy object to hold down the "5" key as you watched TV and ate food, eh? Or you have a lot of free time on your hands....

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gamer_extreme_101 wrote:
Wow....I see you found a heavy object to hold down the "5" key as you watched TV and ate food, eh? Or you have a lot of free time on your hands....

Actually neither. I should really get some (about 4 hours) sleep now...

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Someone had to do it for JtRH: Eternity 3!

I'm not really sure how many moves it takes to complete it but the amount of orbs is now 162.

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This one isn't very long, but I don't think the mimic/force arrow/platform method has been used by anyone, so here it is.

I forgot how long it takes.

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Why not just make a room with a 2-tile-long passage and the whole room filled up with roaches? That way beethro can kill 15 ever 30 moves. Just put nests on force arrows in a way that they produce 14 bugs.

This might of been mentioned before, but i'm lazy and didn't want to read the whole thread.

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SbCl3 wrote:
Why not just make a room with a 2-tile-long passage and the whole room filled up with roaches? That way beethro can kill 15 ever 30 moves. Just put nests on force arrows in a way that they produce 14 bugs.

This might of been mentioned before, but i'm lazy and didn't want to read the whole thread.

Nope, I don't think this has been mentioned before. But if you want to see a reason why:

Theres about 32x38 tiles in a room, if we times that by 30 we get about 36480 moves required. (Approximate, as we need walls and stuff.)

I think the biggest number of moves required from one of the rooms in this thread is approximately 267609623000000000000000000000000000000000000.

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Someone who knows how to do that kind of things could probably write a macro to solve these rooms, and record a demo of that. Wouldn't probably be all too fun to watch though.

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I think the really long ones are long enough to break your computer. And quite possibly the universe.

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Even if each move is stored in a single bit, I don't think we have enough computer storage space on Earth to record such a demo.

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TripleM wrote:

SbCl3 wrote:
Why not just make a room with a 2-tile-long passage and the whole room filled up with roaches? That way beethro can kill 15 ever 30 moves. Just put nests on force arrows in a way that they produce 14 bugs.

This might of been mentioned before, but i'm lazy and didn't want to read the whole thread.

Nope, I don't think this has been mentioned before. But if you want to see a reason why:

Theres about 32x38 tiles in a room, if we times that by 30 we get about 36480 moves required. (Approximate, as we need walls and stuff.)

I think the biggest number of moves required from one of the rooms in this thread is approximately 267609623000000000000000000000000000000000000.

Wow..which one was it?

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SbCl3 wrote:

TripleM wrote:

SbCl3 wrote:
Why not just make a room with a 2-tile-long passage and the whole room filled up with roaches? That way beethro can kill 15 ever 30 moves. Just put nests on force arrows in a way that they produce 14 bugs.

This might of been mentioned before, but i'm lazy and didn't want to read the whole thread.

Nope, I don't think this has been mentioned before. But if you want to see a reason why:

Theres about 32x38 tiles in a room, if we times that by 30 we get about 36480 moves required. (Approximate, as we need walls and stuff.)

I think the biggest number of moves required from one of the rooms in this thread is approximately 267609623000000000000000000000000000000000000.

Wow..which one was it?

My one, "Eternity 2".

It is the current 1.6 record holder, but Doom's "Eternity 3" topples it by some powers of 10, I believe.

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There's gotta be some way now to top our record by throwing nasty scripts into the mix. I might give it a go, but that requires learning the system first. Ugh.

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Scripting is out of the question. If you get to use scripting, you can simply make an otherwise empty room with an invincible character blocking the way to the stairs. Have the character wait a number of turns before disappearing, and you can make the room require as many turns as you like.

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Well, I checked it out in the editor, and you can't make a character wait more than 9999 moves. Although, I imagine there is some way you can get this behavior to loop indefinately, so yeah, it probably isn't even worthwhile to consider.

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Since when has "not worthwhile to consider" stopped folks around here? I had already been working on this, but even 8-line scripts take a while, when you want hundreds of them. As it is, I've only programmed 11 out of the 606 characters this room ought to have. So the attached hold can be completed in a mere 1025 moves, but you'll get the idea.

The entire thing would take 2^605+1 moves, which is over a google, or precisely 1327844982041917746723970516381171568323982794317579807998610345501008899 6521306068479062556630732141722233237156162525383664483441317680985237999 4691646837985957817708848304757932033.
I think adding pauses to scripts could multiply that number but not raise by many orders of magnitude per pause. I could be wrong about that.

[Edited by schep at Local Time:04-14-2005 at 05:17 AM: oh yeah, that number would make the HTML ugly and annoying]

[Edited by schep at Local Time:04-23-2005 at 04:44 AM]

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I have just replaced the hold in my previous message with a complete version. One interesting thing is that I've noticed a definite slowdown in play. It's definitely pegging my CPU and not my key repeat rate, with all those characters checking their wait conditions every turn.

Yes, I did figure out how to add and program characters outside the DROD editor. It was a fun trip through the DROD source code and my data files, for the most part. And I did it mostly by hand; the only part of the source I actually compiled and executed was Base64.cpp. But for any future hacks like this I feel compelled to try, I think I'll see if I can link to DRODLib instead. On the other hand, some of the small tools I made along the way could be useful for inspecting specific problems.

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Here is my first try at this thingy... this is basically a serpent room, only without the serpents. The movement of each Slayer pair is dictated by a different prime. So theoretically there is a moment when they all synchronize and you can win. I am lazy so I only coded 5 primes - they leave you a gap at 3, 5, 7, 11 and 13 respectively, but by the pattern you can see how to continue that (maybe I'll finish the room later).

PS: You don't really need a pair of Slayers, but it looks much cooler

[Edited by Maurog at Local Time:04-23-2005 at 11:46 PM: Now with 10 primes!]

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Actually, you don't want to start moving when "they all synchronize". You need a timing so that each pair will open up just before you get there. In the current version, this happens if Beethro starts moving after 788 turns. If you put a beginning delay of 1 turn on the second pair, 2 on the third, and so on, the best would indeed be waiting for 3*5*7*11*13=15015 turns. I think this sort of idea could blow away my hold's order of magnitude.

Also, after waiting out those 788 turns and running the gauntlet, I killed all the slayers and read the scroll in-game. Maybe what you envisioned would make that impossible, but this version does not.

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Heh, I knew that it's not exactly 15015 moves, and it was so nice when they clashed their hooks at the first turn. But you're right, I'll add the delays.

Also, you could kill the slayers only because there are unmoving ones. They don't need to be invincible if they all move, if you kill a slayer, you are sure to be hooked by another.

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Here's something small I made a few days ago when I was bored.

There's only one 3-square rattlesnake, no scripts (except one pre-placed mimic) and it should require something around 400000+ moves to finish.

Note: The rattlesnake could be 600 squares long and the solution length wouldn't change at all.

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look at this room, I don't know how many moves it is, but it's very long

Edit: new version in different post

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sims5000 wrote:
look at this room, I don't know how many moves it is, but it's very long

It should be around 1'157'000 moves long but as Stefan corrected, it's impossible...

[Edited by Doom at Local Time:06-03-2005 at 07:46 PM: a mistake with the original post]

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Very long indeed, it's impossible. The rattlesnake gets trapped after a while. It could probably be fixed by appropriately placed force arrows, though.

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Okay, Is this one possible?

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No, it's still not possible. Wait until about move 3300 with your sword NE and you'll see what I mean. The rattlesnake gets trapped in itself. I tried playing around with it in the editor, but couldn't really figure out any smart solution, because the force arrow addition wouldn't have worked.

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I'v sort of tested it but I need to know if it takes a long amount of moves or even if its possible.

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rowrow wrote:
I'v sort of tested it but I need to know if it takes a long amount of moves or even if its possible.

It's possible. I solved it in about 5200 moves, but it can be solved in (a lot) less than that. Here's a demo.

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Is this one possiable with the arrows init?