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The biggest problem we have is that we can't say on topic. The new topic button is next to the post reply button for a reason. As such, please keep the discussion of the forums problems here.
06-04-2007 at 01:51 AM
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Frankly, if I were this forum's moderator and Maurog's downmod campaign didn't annoy me into giving the blowup smilie permanent status, then your posts probably would. There's no reason to get accusatory, or imply that Schik is not doing a good job because he doesn't share your opinion of a smilie and your priorities about what to remove and when.

I'm not really concerned about the blowup smilie - I've deployed it in the past specifically for its page-breaking effects - but more to get the mods to say something other than "everything is fine, nothing is wrong". My core position here is that the mods have abdicated responsibility for keeping drama in check, something they have historically been perfectly capable of doing, and it's this that explains not just this flareup, but a couple of the other flareups over the past couple of months (like the one about highscore sniping) and the general degradation of respect on the boards. I don't know why it's happened, but it has, and it needs to stop.

This is your job, guys, and you're not doing it. I've already tried washing my hands of the forum, but now I find myself being paid to spend time here. If that means confining myself to Support and Bugs that's what I'll have to do, but I'll be damned if I'm going to let it slide into oblivion, or worse, 4-channel, without being able to say I did my best to stop it.

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06-04-2007 at 04:04 AM
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First, just a quick reminder - I'm not a mod.

Mattcrampy wrote:
I find myself being paid to spend time here.

Hey, guess what - that's something you and the mods *don't* have in common. They aren't getting paid to spend time at the forums. The mods - specifically Schik and Neil, who do most of the actual forum policing - are doing this for free, as volunteers. Maybe you should remember this before you start telling them what to do.

I'm not saying that there's no room for feedback on how the forum is run - I certainly agree that there are things that can be improved - but there's no need to be obnoxious about it. There are plenty of people posting constructive comments and suggestions, and debating whether there is a problem and what should be done, but you just seem to be happy to point fingers.




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06-04-2007 at 04:26 AM
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I've said what I felt needed to be on the public record, so I'm happy to take this private, so those with constructive things to say don't get lost in the mix.

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06-04-2007 at 06:20 AM
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Why it had to come this far? Is it really possible that a silly smiliy caused the loss of a veteran forum member? Seriously, the whole story reminds me of a novel named "Michael Kohlhaas" (from Kleist). A minor problem causes a fatal reaction. It's a shame that the community couldn't prevent that.

@Maurog : Goodbye, I hope we're going to see you again here sometime.
06-04-2007 at 10:17 AM
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It seems obvious to me that this is all NiroZ's fault. I'm just glad he put me on the white team! Has anyone seen stigant lately?? :unsure

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Dunno if it's bumping, but did you notice the topic title change?

Welcome back Maurog! We shall pay a bit more respect to you so you don't feel like leaving, right guys?

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07-12-2007 at 11:52 AM
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And his avatar has returned to it's more reddish state!

Welcome back!

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07-12-2007 at 12:32 PM
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WELCOME! :hi :hi :hi

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07-12-2007 at 01:10 PM
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Okay, this is going to be a really long post, so I suggest everyone just file it into "I'm back, blah blah blah" category and skip reading it entirely. Employing the Rule Of Threes, my ranting will be divided into three parts for easier digestion.

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07-12-2007 at 04:02 PM
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3. By that logic, by reverting the negative mods to smilies by me, it seems that the community approves of the smilies wholeheartedly. Okay, we can live with that.

except that there's a strong difference between believing "exploding smilies = good" and believing "exploding smilies = insufficient reason to mod an otherwise good post down."


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Maurog - first, let me say that I'm glad that you're back - you are, and always have been, a valuable member of this community.

As for the mod point issue, my opinion - which has been stronlgy reinforced by the events of previous months - are that mod points are *only* meaningful if they are used to reflect a judgement on *individual* posts. They are ineffective, and cause a lot of trouble, as a way to indicate opinion - personal or community - on things that span multiple posts.

I feel that "lets downmod every post that had a certain smiley" was a really, really bad way of showing that you hate that smiley. Your original post saying that did all the work - the downmod campaign added nothing to your point, and just caused a lot of trouble to everyone.

Similarly, "lets downmod every post by Maurog" was a really bad way for people to say what they were trying to say - which was not "we dislike/hate Maurog", but rather "we wish Maurog would stop downmodding smilies".

Maurog, you're right in that you shouldn't let other people's approval dictate your actions - but at the same time, what you really should realize is that it's possible to seperate people's approval or disapproval of your actions from their approval or disapproval of you. I like you and respect you, but I consider your smiley downmod campagin a really, really foolish and misguided idea. I wish you had never started it, or stopped it when people started getting annoyed. But the fact that you didn't doesn't mean I disapprove of you, any more than the fact that some people chose a really bad way of trying to get their point across to you makes me disapprove of them.

(By the way, just to be clear, I never either downmodded Maurog or undid a downmod on a blowup smiley, because I didn't feel either would be effective. My response to Maurog's downmods was to start using blowup smilies more, and to start opposing their removal from the forum even though I was the first person to request their removal).

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Well, let's hope for less drama in the future. That's all I can really say.

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07-12-2007 at 07:42 PM
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Points may not be a shiny trophee of shine, but they are important to me, like a cetificate of how well I do on this forum. Bad attitudes from me are punished with mod downs, just like grounding in real life is. But I learn to control this bad behaviour, and I am given back my points, telling me I did the right thing.

EDIT: Also, reaching specific amounts of rank points make me feel I've accomplished something. Like, as I'm talking now, I reached 200 points. It means much to me. It shows that I did good things on the forum, and that's what makes me proud.

This is my thoughts on Rank Points.


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Glad to see that you are back Maurog. I was quite saddened when you left.

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07-12-2007 at 11:10 PM
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Great to have you back, my friend.

Keep posting,

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07-13-2007 at 01:11 AM
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Maurog wrote:
4. However, looking at my own rank, it seemed that I've been hit for more than 200 points down, not counting the -100 "ransom" incident. If it was in batches of -1's it would still be ok - 400 mod points is achieveable even by individual people. But it seem my very innocent posts were marked with -5's -10's and -15's, a very wasteful way to mod someone down, especially if you're not doing it based on the content of the posts anyway.
You did post saying something to the effect of 'Beat on me if you don't like what I'm doing'. Thus, I can't see the logic in taking it personally.

Having said that, welcome back.
07-13-2007 at 04:35 AM
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And here we go again! It's all spiralling back to the way it was, arguing about whether we should keep the system or not, and whether rank points hold any deep significance. Points are just that, points. It's not like they have any monetary value or anything like that. So let's just drop the whole subject and get back to being a united community instead of a conflicted one.

EDIT: I'm going to be silly now. Why did I get modded down? I was airing my personal opinion and shouldn't be penalised for doing so.

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07-13-2007 at 02:02 PM
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Break! Break! Heated discussion coming up! :P

Having said that, it's good to know that a valued member is back. Welcome aboard the 4000+ member ship*, pal. :D

*What a way to parse those words.

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07-13-2007 at 10:33 PM
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I'm surprised that in all the discussion about the hatred of the explosion smiley that no one mentioned the powerful combination of Firefox and the extension AdBlock to solve everyone's woes. People who hate the smilie can right click it and disable it (Preventing it from loading, too), and those who like it can continue to use it.

But back on topic, it is nice to see that you've managed to put aside your differences, Maurog. You are a truly valued member of this community. (And I do intend to get your pictures up on the website soon...possibly even now since I've just remembered it)

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07-14-2007 at 05:43 PM
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After similar problems on one of the forums I maintain, I added an option that let a user disable their karma/mod-points/rank-points etc.

This of course, meant they couldn't mod-posts too.

Also, if they re-enabled their karma, their mod points were set to 0 - this would stop people 're-karmaing' just to mod someone.

Ho hum.

ANYWAY, welcome back - it's not nice when anyone leaves under bad circumstances (unless it's Alneyan :lol)

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someone made a giant 'I'm leaving forever' post on the internet??!

And they didn't leave forever?!

WHAT TREACHERY IS THIS
07-16-2007 at 12:09 PM
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Banjooie wrote:
someone made a giant 'I'm leaving forever' post on the internet??!

And they didn't leave forever?!

WHAT TREACHERY IS THIS
Technically, he didn't say "I'm leaving forever". His exact words were
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Yes, I decided to leave this place. Will I ever come back? Don't know, but probably not.
Oh, and you forgot a question mark. But, considering you, that's general ;)So did I.

Edit: Now looking at athis, I am ashamed to post this. What madness was I :(
o u c wat i did thar :P

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I seldom use the the forum anymore so I'm going to auction off my mod points on ebay. Should be worth quite a bit as they are practically unused.

I was going to say they are collectors items, but that's probably (over)stating the obvious.

07-18-2007 at 03:24 PM
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