Maurog
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As stated on the site, "These offspring take five turns to mature into fully grown roaches." But they really only take three turns to grow, don't they? Correct me if I'm wrong, but eggs are layed on turn 0 and on turn 3 they are already fully grown roaches.

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Oh yeah, while I'm at it, the Wraithwings should come after The Living Tar, not before it on this page.


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You're behind the times a little... they used to take 3, but it's been 5 ever since AE. It didn't break any KDD rooms and Caravel wanted to be able to keep everything in multiples of 5.

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What krammer said applies, but thank you for pointing out the order of the pages - that's been fixed.

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If you want the ordering to be alphabetical, you should move mud below golems as well.

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Maurog wrote:
As stated on the site, "These offspring take five turns to mature into fully grown roaches." But they really only take three turns to grow, don't they? Correct me if I'm wrong, but eggs are layed on turn 0 and on turn 3 they are already fully grown roaches.

This is correct, and I noticed it when the new site was first discovered.

krammer wrote:
You're behind the times a little... they used to take 3, but it's been 5 ever since AE. It didn't break any KDD rooms and Caravel wanted to be able to keep everything in multiples of 5.

Why do you all keep saying this? Every time I play DROD it is 3! Did I get a defective copy of both AE and JtRH (if we don't count the myriad things that have already been patched)? And if so, how have I managed to do rooms that rely on spawning?

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Well, I guess it's an opinionated thing.

Turn 0: Eggs created
Turn 1: Eggs grow
Turn 2: Eggs grow
Turn 3: Eggs grow
Turn 4: Roach created
Turn 5: Roach acts.

So, I'd say it's actually 4. But if you count the turn that the roach is created and the turn that the egg is created, it is in fact 5. If you count neither, then it's 3. But it is 5 turns from the spawn to when the roach acts.

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I thought they moved the spawn time to on 30 instead of three turns before 30 for AE. This might explain the '5' numbering, but I'd be willing to bet actual money that the time for a roach egg to grow hasn't changed.

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Mattcrampy wrote:
I thought they moved the spawn time to on 30 instead of three turns before 30 for AE. This might explain the '5' numbering, but I'd be willing to bet actual money that the time for a roach egg to grow hasn't changed.

You'd lose the bet, then.

Note the original sourceforge task, which clearly mentions both changes.

(As Coppro points out, though, the task description is deceptive. You can either say it was lengthened from 3 to 4 or from 4 to 5, but not from 3 to 5 since that involves switching how you count. Still, it was certainly made longer).

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You have to include the turns when the eggs are inside the queen. It is a miraculous and beautiful thing.

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eytanz wrote:
If you want the ordering to be alphabetical, you should move mud below golems as well.

As in this:
Rock Golems
The Awakened Mud

I don't follow.

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Mud comes after Golem in the alphabet.

I thought the goal was to order things alphabetically, more or less, or maybe I didn't understand why wraithwings swapped places with tar.

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coppro wrote:
Well, I guess it's an opinionated thing.

Turn 0: Eggs created
Turn 1: Eggs grow
Turn 2: Eggs grow
Turn 3: Eggs grow
Turn 4: Roach created
Turn 5: Roach acts.

So, I'd say it's actually 4. But if you count the turn that the roach is created and the turn that the egg is created, it is in fact 5. If you count neither, then it's 3. But it is 5 turns from the spawn to when the roach acts.

Oh, it is 4. While the page probably includes the turn on which the egg is spawned, it should not, because it says "These offspring", which refers to eggs that have already spawned.

gamer_extreme_101 wrote:
Rock Golems
The Awakened Mud

I don't follow.

Well "the" is after "rock" in the dictionary, is what I think he means, but I think articles (grammatical, not content) should not be counted in our alphabetizing.

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Actually, I don't think there's any way to make sense of the current ordering.

We currently have:

# The Brain.
# Dungeon Roaches & Roach Queens.
# Evil Eyes.
# Goblins.
# The Awakened Mud.
# Rock Golems.
# The Seep.
# Serpents and Rattleserpents.
# Spiders.
# The Living Tar.
# Wraithwings.
# Wubbas.

There's articles all over the place, so they can't be counted. But If ignore articles and alphabetize what remains, you get:

# The Awakened Mud.
# The Brain.
# Dungeon Roaches & Roach Queens.
# Evil Eyes.
# Goblins.
# The Living Tar.
# Rock Golems.
# The Seep.
# Serpents and Rattleserpents.
# Spiders.
# Wraithwings.
# Wubbas.

Which isn't what we have either. Another possibility is to ignore the adjectives and sort just by the nouns, in which case you'd have:

# The Brain.
# Evil Eyes.
# Goblins.
# Rock Golems.
# The Awakened Mud.
# Dungeon Roaches & Roach Queens.
# The Seep.
# Serpents and Rattleserpents.
# Spiders.
# The Living Tar.
# Wraithwings.
# Wubbas.

Which is closer to what we have now, but still different.

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Roaches and Roach Queens
Awakened Mud
Brains
Serpents and Rattlesnakes
Crafty Goblins
Unseen Spiders and Flying Wraithwings
The Seep
The Wubbas
Living Tar
Evil Eyes

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It's been fixed as per eytanz's second listed way. Thanks for pointing it out, all.

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While we're nitpicking the monster list - can we get rid of the "rattleserpents" thing which no-one says and replace it with "rattlesnakes", which is the official name *as used in JtRH*, and is a lot easier on the eyes.

It shouldn't be difficult to modify the monster description - just say 'rattlesnake' whereever it currently says 'rattleserpent', and 'rattler' wherever it currently says 'rattlesnake'.



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