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This is a hold about what happened when Beethro was led to King Pilchard VIII's Castle. It has an interesting challenge system and at the end, there are many extras, including hold art, abandoned holds and an alternate ending... Thanks to the many testers, Schik, Ezlo, Jeff_Ray..., wallu, Krishh, NiroZ, Banjooie, coppro, Syntax, MeckMeck GRE and Doom.

Geiler Hengst
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Nice Hold, but there is a major bug inthe challenge system! First the stairs you use to get to the challenge end the hold if you use them again, that is when u decide not to do the challenge. Furthermore is there a major problem with the first challenge it smply dont work.

FURTHERMORE: some checkpoints would be awesome... :-)

Apart from that nice work, i will wait with my rating till later when i have seen more...


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coppro
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Hey, could you reexport and upload? I'd like to get my beta version enabled for CaravelNet and I don't want to play through again. Thanks. Also, I think those bugs may actually exist. However, I'm supposed to be doing homework.

Syntax
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Nice hold so far including very decent scripting (the ring fight in particular is a nice feature).

As was mentioned before, the first challenge doesn't seem to work however. Also, it seems Lower Floor 3N 1W is not currently solveable - exiting is impossible due to the positioning of the trapdoor...

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I have played upto Lower Floor: 3N1W - Its a great hold. I can't wait to complete the remainder of this hold ...


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Pilchard VIII
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I should point out that ALL rooms are solvable. Because I myself have played through every room countless times, and they all work. Don't give up! Coppro, I'm not sure what you mean. Thanks for the advice Geiler. I'll try and fix this soon, but I don't know when Curse that GCSE coursework!

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coppro
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What I mean is, I have the beta version still, but I can't update because it is the same version. (Which, by the way, I have cleared entirely). As a result, I have two options: Wait for you to update, thus allowing me to redownload, or delete the hold and start again.

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coppro wrote:
What I mean is, I have the beta version still, but I can't update because it is the same version. (Which, by the way, I have cleared entirely). As a result, I have two options: Wait for you to update, thus allowing me to redownload, or delete the hold and start again.

The beta hold has been removed now that this hold is final. If you restart DROD it should recognize this hold as non-beta.

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Syntax
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Pilchard VIII wrote:
I should point out that ALL rooms are solvable. Because I myself have played through every room countless times, and they all work. Don't give up! Coppro, I'm not sure what you mean. Thanks for the advice Geiler. I'll try and fix this soon, but I don't know when Curse that GCSE coursework!

Unfortunately not.
Lower Floor: 3N1W is not completable.

I believe the tar is a late addition, and unfortunately this renders exiting the room impossible.

Quickest fix would be to get rid of the trapdoor at the mouth of the tar...

Syntax
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Schik wrote:

coppro wrote:
What I mean is, I have the beta version still, but I can't update because it is the same version. (Which, by the way, I have cleared entirely). As a result, I have two options: Wait for you to update, thus allowing me to redownload, or delete the hold and start again.

The beta hold has been removed now that this hold is final. If you restart DROD it should recognize this hold as non-beta.

Yeah, I had to delete the beta version from within DROD, and then download the version from within the site.
This did lose any progress though which is what I think coppro wishes to avoid.

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Worked fine just now that the beta was gone. Also, as a side note, DROD thinks all my demos are uploaded. I did a Full Upload, but (of course) that didn't work. Any suggestions?

Syntax
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coppro wrote:
Worked fine just now that the beta was gone. Also, as a side note, DROD thinks all my demos are uploaded. I did a Full Upload, but (of course) that didn't work. Any suggestions?

Wouldn't doing a full upload of beta demos into a live hold be considered cheating? I think beta testing already gives the advantage of knowing how to complete the rooms, or at least giving time to practice. I don't think it fair that all entrance rooms, for example, should go to the first beta tester who tested the hold...

Thoughts?

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Syntax, a question like that definitely deserves its own thread. It would be too much of a threadjack to continue discussing it here.

Game on,

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Syntax
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Ok, apologies.

Lower Floor: 3N1W is not completable

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the 375-turn mud-mother run around challenge has an unintended solution: complete the room (with more than 375 moves), exit the way you came in. re-enter the room and the north exit opens for you, allowing you to "get credit" for beating the room by killing the roach anyway.

one fix might be to move the brain 1 east and put some yellow door around it, triggered by the same orb that goes off if you successfully kill the mother and babies in 375 turns. if you feel that would reshape the room too much, you could put a roach SW of the "voice" character with a door just south of it.


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As far as I can tell, the trapdoor is the late addition--I remember doing it just fine with the tar there. Shows me to idle on this forum a bit.

Pilchard VIII
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Okay, I've had to update this hold THREE times in the knack of half an hour. Whew!

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Syntax
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It doesn't appear "updated" in-game... ?

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Aplogies. Restarted DROD and now it does

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But all the high scores have disappeared

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Geiler Hengst
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Awesome hold... i played a lot of it so far... especially the scripting is real fun... i love the room with the invisable guards....

Plaease just add some more checkpoints next time!

UrAvgAzn
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Excellent hold! Very interesting and I loved the Ring Fight. But, yeah, this really needs some checkpoints; I am at the Castle - Ground Floor 2N1W and I just beat all the eyes and the brains and I died at the rattlesnakes because I was babysitting my godsister and I got thirsty, so I left the computer room to get a drink. When I come back, I see her on the computer playing DROD. When I got over there, it was too late and she ran into a "blue line thingy" thinking it was a power-up. Apparently not. Anyway, I would have been a lot happier if there was a checkpoint there. Keep designing though, nice hold!

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Yup, Really good hold. And I really see no need of checkpoints here... It was quite easy though. And how in the hell am I supposed to kill that #$@%@ Slayer in the challenge? WEll, maybe the problem is, that I've never got a chance to play the full version of JTRH... . But some advice with this problem would be nice. Anyway, great work again

ps. Dah, I've found solution on the forum . And so the greatest enemy dies...

Ps2. ... Might spoil a bit.
This IS spoiling

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coppro
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skell wrote:
Yup, Really good hold. And I really see no need of checkpoints here... It was quite easy though. And how in the hell am I supposed to kill that #$@%@ Slayer in the challenge? WEll, maybe the problem is, that I've never got a chance to play the full version of JTRH... . But some advice with this problem would be nice. Anyway, great work again, and

Keep Going .

ps. Dah, I've found solution on the forum . And so the greatest enemy dies...

Ps2. ... Might spoil a bit.

Click here to view the secret text

×I suppose that I can't miss any challenge while playing, and I can't return to them after playing... Am I right? So I must play the whole hold from begining if I want to get the all secrets? Because in the last challenge there are blue doors, which are blocking the way to two secret walls. Gaah.

This IS spoiling

Click here to view the secret text

×There are only two freely enterable secrets in the challenges? The one with the guard going through tar, and the one with the chasing roaches. I have actually 10/11 found, and I can't seem to find any other secret...

Also, there is no hints whatsoever in JtRH toward the killing of the Slayer. And the alternate ending ends the hold *hint hint*

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Actually, this is about as spoonfed as you can /get/ how to kill a slayer, which is why I let it slide. BUT, as a super secret hint:

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This is a very solid medium-difficulty hold. Nicely done, Pilchard.

In the credits, the stairs to the alternate ending and the wacky adventure end the hold.

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Pilchard VIII
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Not any more. Thanks for pointing this out!

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Pilchard VIII wrote:
Not any more. Thanks for pointing this out!

Except that the ending is Deep Spaces and the entry is Iceworks. Once again, the curse of making-changes-after-the-final-test whaps you on the head.

Pilchard VIII
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Oh no, that was intentional. Iceworks gives the feel of night, Deep spaces gives the feel of dawn or morning.

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I'm enjoying this hold quite a bit. The puzzles are pretty manageable (although I don't get how we were supposed to get the word from the clues in the room with the three colored orbs).

I like it a lot. I won't rate it until I've finished it (or come closer to finishing it) -- I'm just starting the Middle Floor right now.

But wanted to hop on the bandwagon while it's still cool to say good job!



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Scarily, I got it from the riddles just fine. Actually, the orbs themselves are /kind/ of a clue...

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OK, I've finished this one. Good hold construction, some nice puzzles, all with a fairly consistent level of difficulty.

Some of the artwork was pretty impressive.

A few minor nits:

1) Spelling errors in scripted text bug me. Maybe it's just me.



But that said, I give the hold an 8 for fun and a 4 for difficulty. Good jub!





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