vittro
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Why not a new scripting system like this? :

If beethro.position.x = 5 and beethro.position.y = 12 then
event1.path1.pathfind(beethro)
event1.move.towardpath(path1)
Else
event1.speech("I am waiting for you...",aggressive,12)
end if

If event1.collides(beethro) then
beethro.die()
elseif beethro.sword.collides(event1) then
event1.die()
end if

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this is a basic-like language... this will be cool for rpg battles, pathfinding, variables, booleans and another things very useful.

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Because some people prefer to have a system where they do not need to be an elite coder and memorize ten billion commands to make full use out of it.

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Well, I had already put forward a similar idea. I suggested an interface much like yours, although I must say that I tend to go against the system that you suggested, being that I absolutely hate class-within class systems that make no sense. assuming event1 is your character, then you could just you a more control-oriented language such as WaitUntilBeethro(5,5,12,12) etc. The part that most irks me about the current languge is the lack of the ability to copy-paste blocks of code, but I'm sure Mike shall come up with smething in TCB. I also suggested the possibility of keeping the old interface for people who don't feel like they want such an intensive language.

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Oh, I love the way you described it! And Typing! And lots more Typing! And Testing! And wondering which coordinates match to which square! And an extra round of Testing! And Typing on the Keyboard just for the sake of it!

Let me just say that anything that requires someone writing down a coordinate (and not to mention typing "if (beethro.x=3.1415 and beethro.y<17.5) then ... end if" - typing 50 times for just one coordinate check, are you alright?) is going to have a lot more typing and testing than something that doesn't.

Just like replaying a game of checkers from the numbers... "Let me see, where is 25? Move to 17? Was that on the third row? Oh wait, was it white's turn? Did I miss a move?"

I'm not saying that the current scripting is 100% perfect, but I'd rather want to something that focus on story writing than coordinate checking...

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Hmmm...you make a good point in regards to speech. I wonder if that, instead of having to do it line by line, they can make a text box that would allow you to write speech code. That I would like. Something like:

5000 Char(Mike) "Can we please put this into the new engine?" 
2500 Char(Negotiator) "We'll have to see.  Time is running short you know" [Striking]
1600 Char(17,28) "What about the mothingness?  You still have to program that in now"
Char(Beethro) "And why am I wearing a dress?" [Angry]
3000 Char(Mike) "It's coming!  I swear!" [Nervous]
Char(Goblin King) "Leave the poor man alone!"
Char(Beethro) "I'd rather not"
Char(Goblin King) "Oh."
Char(Goblin King) "Well, I'd better not stop you, then."

Yes, I like that much better. Much faster and such.

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I believe the point-and-click interface was used so as not to intimidate people. I guess that wasn't so much of a problem, but I'd still be wary of getting rid of the point-and-click interface. Perhaps some way external written scripts can be loaded in?

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There is one other reason not to allow typed script - is it really necessary for Caravel to add a parser to the scripting language, including syntax checking? I really don't think that's necessary or reasonable considering the benefits it would provide (not to mention the detrements - namely, it being more difficult and more complicated to script).

The only reason I would welcome it is if variables and the like were added - but that was already discussed at length on another thread somewhere...

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coppro wrote:
The part that most irks me about the current languge is the lack of the ability to copy-paste blocks of code, but I'm sure Mike shall come up with smething in TCB.

There are no plans to add any object-oriented paradigm to DROD scripting, but TCB will support the ability cut/copy/paste blocks of code.

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Why don't we just allow both?

Okay. the point and click gives you a nice handy little straight up and down readout.

And then there's a tab, so you people can code to your heart's content via typing--but if you type in there, it invalidates the point and click. That avoids the messy issues like 'people can't spell' and things.

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Banjooie:

Kevin_P86 wrote:
is it really necessary for Caravel to add a parser to the scripting language, including syntax checking?

let me clarify his comments:

I'm not going to ask them to delay TCB by 6-8 weeks for the "feature" of a typable scripting language. It's just not nearly as important as the game itself, because the scripting engine it has works just fine.


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Banjooie wrote:
Why don't we just allow both?

Okay. the point and click gives you a nice handy little straight up and down readout.

And then there's a tab, so you people can code to your heart's content via typing...

Sure, but I don't think the effort-to-reward ratio is worth it. If one of you sturdy coders out there wants to implement a text parser, however, for importing/exporting NPC scripts from/to text files or editing the script with the keyboard in-game, then go for it. If it works in the game, I'll most likely make sure it's in TCB.

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mrimer wrote:
If one of you sturdy coders out there wants to implement a text parser, however, for importing/exporting NPC scripts from/to text files or editing the script with the keyboard in-game, then go for it. If it works in the game, I'll most likely make sure it's in TCB.

Okay, I'll take a whack at the import/export function, just for fun. Question for Mike: Is use of yacc and/or lex verboten? (Not a problem if it is.)

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coppro
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I already have a steady implementation going. I'm just writing the argument parser for importing.

Race?

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coppro wrote:

I already have a steady implementation going. I'm just writing the argument parser for importing.

Race?

Given that you already have something working, and I was going to start today, I'll bow out. I'll take another look if you find you are running into problems. Good luck!

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coppro wrote:
I already have a steady implementation going. I'm just writing the argument parser for importing.

Thanks to this man's motivational code, I've implemented a text/DRODscript converter this week in 3.0. It will send and get plaintext script commands to/from the clipboard, which you can access through your favorite text editor.

Huh...this means that DROD is now a compiler.

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Well that calls for a new acronym!

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DCOD

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The Compiler Beneath!

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Kate, the eighth compiler.

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Maybe even JTPC (Journey to Programmed Compiler)