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I haven't seen this one yet, though I've seen variations with just about every other monster under the sun, so it's not very original.

And, it turns out, not very hard. Should be obvious what needs to be done when you enter the room, and Stefan will probably beat it in under a minute. (it took me a couple of tries. I'd either lose WWs into the no-escape area, or I'd get the golems too far apart, or I'd just mess up with the mimic. perhaps I need a checkpoint in the mimic room).

So, not much here yet, but I finally came up with a puzzle . My first room ever. Yay.

I don't like the idea of surrounding it with filler puzzles, so I'll probably leave it at one room until I come up with another puzzle one of these months. Repeat until I have around 10 and release as a teeny hold.

And I solemnly vow never to hide things under tar or mud, or fill a room with trapdoors and wraithwings or trapdoors and goblins, or make you drop a red door that requires tedious rather than tricky movement. Ever. Really. These things just need to stop.

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As it's my first puzzle, I wouldn't mind constructive ideas on how to make it more challenging.(should I dispose of the obstacles? I kind of wanted it to be harder to get the golems into the room, but, then, if you can get them one at a time, it's kind of trivial. sigh).

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EDIT: updated based on Stefan's changes and a couple of my own
EDIT2: updated again because I forgot a couple things

[Edited by silver at Local Time:05-30-2005 at 03:38 AM]

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Not Stefan and not under a minute but almost

Not a bad room. I would gladly play a hold with more of these. Not too difficult but not too easy either. (Although it was quite easy)

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Actually, in my solution, I used the entry way to compensate for getting the golem heights wrong. I should probably have the first orb close the entrance. I wonder if filling the mimic chamber with horizontalizers wouldn't make it require more precise golem placement (though it might also make it impossible with 5 golems. need to count squares).


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Well, it did take me a bit more than a minute (2:31), but I did do it on my first try.

It's a pretty easy room as it is now, since you can quite easily place one golem at a time without getting the others (too much) in the way. Nevertheless, it was fun. Incidentally, I made a room with a similar idea about a week ago in the hold I'm working on.

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Mind if I difficultize it a bit?

The Doom Edition

[Edited by Doom at Local Time:05-30-2005 at 05:08 AM]

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Doom wrote:
Mind if I difficultize it a bit?

The Doom Edition

Nice, but still relatively easy.

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Yet another version. A bit more difficult than Doom's.

[Edited by Stefan at Local Time:05-30-2005 at 12:06 AM: Made it even more challenging]

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Oi, Stefan, you are a bad, bad man. I'm not even sure I can do your version .

EDIT: could you send me a demo? I want to check something before making my "final" version.


[Edited by silver at Local Time:05-30-2005 at 01:18 AM]

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Here it is, fixed up a little better with Stefan's edits. It isn't actually more challenging to Stefan, since there's a slop of about 20 moves following his solution. The timer will mostly instill panic and encourage mistakes. And, of course, prevent really wasteful manuevering. My demo comes in at 298 moves. I bet he shaves a few off that.

EDIT: (I mean, the top version is updated, or will be a minute after I post this)


[Edited by silver at Local Time:05-30-2005 at 02:52 AM]

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Did you intend to leave the mimic chamber 8 squares wide instead of 7 squares wide as in Doom's and my version?

The timer could be made at least a spawn cycle shorter, but I'm not sure if that's a good idea.

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With the horizontals, I used the 8th column after the last rock (but not in the 4 before it) You didn't? I fear your mad skills.
(ooo, I see with the addition of the timer block I can move the mimic up to the last golem outside of the chamber. I think I'll make it 7 wide just to bother people who think they have to kill everything while in the chamber).

I always got to the first timer with the sword pointed the right direction at move 151 (and it was closer to the wall then), so I moved it back a little and extended it a cycle. Again, I fear your skillz.

No wonder you have 10,000 more points than me in less than 100 more rooms than me.

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EDIT: top version updated to shrink room and readd some force arrows I forgot. my demo is now 299 moves but I wasted a few. and I see that I could be a little more efficient with the wraithwings and shrink the first timer, but I'm not Wesley, so I think I'll leave it like this.

Thanks for all the help, Stefan.

And, man, my respect for authors of well tweaked holds was already high, but nothing like trying to get a room just right to make you respect them plusplusplus.


[Edited by silver at Local Time:05-30-2005 at 03:40 AM]

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silver wrote:
With the horizontals, I used the 8th column after the last rock (but not in the 4 before it) You didn't? I fear your mad skills.
(ooo, I see with the addition of the timer block I can move the mimic up to the last golem outside of the chamber. I think I'll make it 7 wide just to bother people who think they have to kill everything while in the chamber).

I killed the last golem in the chamber. You can check the demo for my version to see how, the same method works here.

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