Dragon Fogel
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Currently, RPG scorepoints don't even show up on the scoreboards until someone earns them. This means, if a hold has an obscure scorepoint (like Growing's "Under 50 Time", which was unlisted until I got it last night), you either have to stumble on it while you play, notice it in the editor, or hope somebody mentions it on the forum.

Challenge tracking in regular DROD currently works similarly to scorepoints; it's not listed on the challenge page at all until someone gets it. However, there's a button you can click in the Restore screen that lists all the challenges. Maybe something similar could be done with scorepoints?

There is the issue that, since scorepoints are usually used for hold progression, their names might be spoilers. This could be handled by hiding the scorepoint names until you earn them. What's important for completion purposes is knowing that there's one you don't have.

Or maybe there could just be a "Scorepoints earned" counter that unlocks after beating a hold, like the secrets counter is. I'm not sure what would work best, I just want a way to know I'm not missing anything.

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Just curious - are there any plans to do something in this direction in either of the coming updates?

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Dragon Fogel wrote:
Just curious - are there any plans to do something in this direction in either of the coming updates?

I appreciate the question! Not yet, afaik, but that could change.

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I'm working on bringing this feature into reality for 1.3. Here's the current progress:




Look at those scorepoints, all nicely listed. There's still work to be done for making them greyed out when not done, and possibly hiding the names. Also all the wording and positioning of dialogs and buttons could change. But progress is happening!

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So cool! Thank you. I like how you implemented this.

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Great feature.

I'm not sure how it currently decides on whether a scorepoint should have its name shown in bold, shown in light grey, and shown as ???. I assume this only works going forward, as I loaded a number of holds I'd played before and all scorepoints were listed as ???, however my hold RPG Mini had all scorepoint names listed but only two of them shown in bold. It looks like holds where I am the author have all scorepoints already listed?

If it is only expected to work properly going forward, then that's fine.

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Scorepoints that have been achieved should be bold, while unachieved ones are grey. Additionally, only the hold author can see unachieved scorepoints. Everyone else sees them as ???.

Not sure why you wouldn't see previously achieved scores. I'm not certain on how the behind-the-scenes stuff works, but if you imported a player profile then imported the holds, it might be the case that the demos didn't get imported for the holds that weren't present.

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Something isn't quite right here in 1.3.0.499

I loaded Break out of Jail! and loaded some old autosaves that the game makes at score checkpoints. However triggering the scorepoints again still results in all the scorepoints listed as ???

I think it might be an issue with holds I already had imported since this feature was implemented maybe? I have imported Stew's Hold from architecture since this was implemented and triggered its scorepoint and it shows up in the in-game menu fine.

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Requesting a minor update to this, reveal all scorepoint names upon conquering the hold. Similar to how regular DROD handles secret rooms. This would help with tracking down elusive ones that nobody has recorded a score for.

It's a cool feature in any case and good to see it implemented in the RPG 2 demo.

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I would like to say no to that request, leave scorepoint names hidden until found. There might still be spoilers in the names, it would be shame to kill the mystery. If you want to be spoiled, go to Hints and Solutions board!

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Lets compromise: you get shown the names if you have edit access to the hold. If the hold allows you to edit it after conquering it, then you might as well show the scorepoint names because you could just hunt them down in the editor anyway.

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Showing scorepoint names for holds you can edit feels like a fair comprimise.

Also, one small change I've been considering is rather than undiscovered scorepoints all becoming "???", instead all alphanumeric characters get replaced by a question mark. This makes it a little easier to discuss them.

(score points should always be in the same order for everyone but slightly less obscurity could be helpful)

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Just to check we're on the same page: that means that for Anyone Edit holds, all scorepoint names are revealed from the start and we're okay with that?

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I'm OK with that. You could just look them up in the editor anyway.

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I think the currently proposed change (including hyperme's post about ? substitutions) sounds really good.

Not much more to add, but I just wanted to post somewhere that I'm really excited about RPG2. I've been avoiding commenting in most of the threads on it since I don't want spoilers, but I'm definitely paying attention to the general state of things.

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