Sergenth
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What is going on in this room? What are the red herrings? The solution has got to be a bottleneck fuse....

talund
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The keys to the room are:

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Sergenth
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My problem was that I was adding an extra goal into the process. I imagined that I needed to pull all of the tar babies into the "brain chamber" in order to drop the green door and get out after setting the bomb, otherwise I would be trapped. I came to that conclusion because of assumptions made in early experimentation with fuse dropping.

I could call it a failure of imagination...

Thanks!

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key-smiter
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File: BatSS The Headquarters 1N stuck.demo (1.6 KB)
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OK . . . I can make the fuse as long as I think is possible, and I can clear the first three tar bodies in the center, and then I'm overwhelmed. . . can I ask someone to comment on the demo I've attached (where I think I'm just one or two moves short) and let me know where I've gone wrong?

I don't see where I can get this move (or two) back. I've tried starting at different points on the timer, and nothing changes for the better. Help welcome -

Tuttle
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I don't think where on the timer you start is that important -- I reckon you'll be close enough.

You need to improve your efficiency along the top section. I cut into the NW blob of tar with the clock on 1, and the NE blob with the clock on 6 (the next cycle). You're at 1 and 10.

Two suggestions, one general and one specific:

key-smiter
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File: BatSS The Headquarters 1N still stuck.demo (1.8 KB)
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Thanks . . . Your hint on the SW move did shave one move off, and I ended up being able to match your NE tar blob timing. However, while the last blob grows correctly, and I am still alive, I'm left with four or five (depends) tarbabies trapped outside upon brain-death, and no way to get to them.

This tells me that the fuse is either too short by five squares, or that I'm supposed to pre-kill some tar. I see no way to address either. Now what?

Demo attached, since I'm sure I'm inarticulate on the subject.

Thanks -

kzc
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key-smiter wrote:
Thanks . . . Your hint on the SW move did shave one move off, and I ended up being able to match your NE tar blob timing. However, while the last blob grows correctly, and I am still alive, I'm left with four or five (depends) tarbabies trapped outside upon brain-death, and no way to get to them.

Thanks -

Umm, are you sure you can't get to them?

key-smiter
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Yeah, I figured that out as soon as I went out and did something else.

Pretty sad when I play the game better in my head than on the PC.

NiroZ
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Ok, i have completed this room. However, I cannot at all get to the secret passage here Beethro and the Secret Society : The Headquarters : 1 North. Those damn 2 tar babies who refuse to join the party! How can I make them come inside, or better yet, stop them appearing all togeather!

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NiroZ
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NiroZ wrote:
Ok, i have completed this room. However, I cannot at all get to the secret passage here Beethro and the Secret Society : The Headquarters : 1 North. Those damn 2 tar babies who refuse to join the party! How can I make them come inside, or better yet, stop them appearing all togeather!

Is it because nobody knows, or don't you guys want to give me hints?

Rabscuttle
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What two tar babies are you talking about? You've cleared the room, yes?

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Rabscuttle wrote:
What two tar babies are you talking about? You've cleared the room, yes?

Here

I can also get you a demo if you want

NiroZ
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hang on, i just realised. Even if i could kill those roaches, i still wouldn't be able to reach that crumbly wall.

HELP!

Briareos
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NiroZ wrote:

Rabscuttle wrote:
What two tar babies are you talking about? You've cleared the room, yes?

Here

I can also get you a demo if you want

Ummm... how about lighting the fuse then exiting the middle room via the trapdoor SW of where Beethro is in your screenshot?

To get to the other crumbly wall


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NiroZ
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Yeah, i could do that, but im trying to reach the crumbly wall, not finish the room (I did that ages ago)

Briareos
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NiroZ wrote:
Yeah, i could do that, but im trying to reach the crumbly wall, not finish the room (I did that ages ago)

Which part of


is so hard to understand?

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NiroZ
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Briareos wrote:

NiroZ wrote:
Yeah, i could do that, but im trying to reach the crumbly wall, not finish the room (I did that ages ago)

Which part of

Click here to view the secret text

×you can't get to the crumbly wall until the room has been conquered and you have left and re-entered it

is so hard to understand?

Gah.

The thinking bit I guess