StuartK
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If I mod a post up, then mod it down again straight away (or vice versa) would it be possible for both mod points to be returned for my use automatically? Obviously, I've misclicked, immediately wanted to undo it, didn't see an undo option, and decided to waste another mod point to correct my dumbass fumble fingered mistake

BTW I have noticed I now have a grey hair. Perhaps these two things are related

Tim
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Nice idea. I really want to undo all my grey hair as well.

Really, I think undoing rankings is a terrible idea. Although it might be sensible for some of the people around here to have a pop up with "Are you really sure?" on it.

[Edit : This is not meant as a joke. I really do not like this idea.]

-- Tim

[Edited by Tim at Local Time:11-27-2004 at 02:46 PM]

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StuartK
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With a time limit, and the matching pair of + and - mod points, I don't see a problem (other than implementation) - people would not be coming back a day later to recoup all their mod points to spend on something else. The current situation in the event of a mistake would benefit neither the modder nor the moddee, since it would not be an accurate representation of the modders opinion of a post, and cost a point which could have been spent better elsewhere.

Should the modder lose out further for voluntarily correcting their mistake, or the moddee be punished (if the post is modded down) if they do not?

Also, I'd really rather see no change if the choice is between a confirmation box and nothing at all. The intent was for such a change to be a minor tweak, not another addition to the interface, to inconvenience everyone for the benefit of the few (or the one)

Tim
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May be I should try to express myself better. (It's hard for me you know but hopefully worth it.)

I'm not against the fact that the anyone should be able to correct their mistake, but this one has some strange consequences. For example, what if the receiving end use that mod point to mod another post before you do an undo?

Mmmm.... Another thought, I might actually like this idea

-- Tim


[Edited by Tim at Local Time:11-27-2004 at 06:58 PM]

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ErikH2000
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I won't speak for Schik, who knows best about these sorts of forum changes, but this sounds like a change with a very low effort-to-reward-ratio. He's got to add information to the database about who modded a post (currently there is no concept of ownership to mods). He's got to add some safeguards against abuse. These things to me seem like they could take hours, but the feature gained is not correspondingly valuable. Could we just be careful about modding posts and if we screw up occasionally, shrug our shoulders and move on?

And now I'm going to go give Stuart and Tim a chunkload of mod points as part of my unsystematic, random infusion into the economy.

-Erik

[Edited by ErikH2000 at Local Time:11-27-2004 at 08:15 PM]

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StuartK
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And what of the situation where a mod point is applied, another is applied by someone else to reverse it within the time limit, and the initial mod point is also undone? Who gets the refund? Should one of the mod points stand or all be credited back?

Ummm. Mod points could be pending and unusable, and the moderation undisplayed except to the modder, until the time limit for undo has expired. Would that solve all potential unfortunate consequences of an undo option? This is turning out a mite more complicated than I imagined it would be for the intended small, background tweak to fix a small problem I originally saw...

StuartK
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ErikH2000 wrote:
And now I'm going to go give Stuart and Tim a chunkload of mod points as part of my unsystematic, random infusion into the economy.

-Erik

This whole mod point economics thing is turning out rather more complex than I though, now with the element of divine influence in the mix as well. Someone should write a book

ErikH2000
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Oh, I dunno, maybe Homer's Oddysey would be your book. Gods bestowing gifts and punishments on mortals for no better reason than their own amusement. It seems to be the model we are following.

Actually, the advantage of throwing mod points around like this is that people won't know how to work the system (there isn't one!) and maybe people won't take it too seriously. I actually typed up an idea earlier today for handing out more mod points automatically, and then I deleted it once it occured to me how people would abuse it. The conservative system Schik has in place now is pretty hard to abuse.

-Erik

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Tim
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ErikH2000 wrote:
I won't speak for Schik, who knows best about these sorts of forum changes, but this sounds like a change with a very low effort-to-reward-ratio. He's got to add information to the database about who modded a post (currently there is no concept of ownership to mods). He's got to add some safeguards against abuse. These things to me seem like they could take hours, but the feature gained is not correspondingly valuable.

Actually, didn't you just mentioned these people were like gods? You mean they still need to spend hours programming on this?
But I really do not want to strain this great web site with another database.

And now I'm going to go give Stuart and Tim a chunkload of mod points as part of my unsystematic, random infusion into the economy.

Thanks a lot, as I was running a bit low nowadays giving out points to (what I feel) worthy posts.

The conservative system Schik has in place now is pretty hard to abuse.

I must say that I do like the current working system, but it would only work as long as there are enough (not too much) points floating around.

-- Tim

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