blorx1
Level: Smitemaster
Rank Points: 920
Registered: 07-18-2009
IP: Logged

File: Rearming clones.hold (833 bytes)
Downloaded 46 times.
License: Public Domain

In the attached hold, if the mimic steps on the disarm token the inactive clone gets his weapon back a turn late. I'm guessing this is a bug.

It only seems to happen when the clone moves before the mimic, as evidenced by the fact that the south clone gets his weapon back. This behavior also does not hold for mimics. Do not know why this happens.

Related?
http://forum.caravelgames.com/viewtopic.php?TopicID=18205&page=0#211320

____________________________
If you need to think outside of the box, then you didn't build a good enough box.

---

[Last edited by blorx1 at 06-08-2016 05:48 AM]

bomber50
Level: Smitemaster
Rank Points: 872
Registered: 09-18-2006
IP: Logged

This problem also happens with time clones.

It definitely seems to be a bug. Temporal clones disarm immediately, but do not arm immediately. Extremely unintuitive.

If it's too late to fix this problem for regular clones, we should at least fix it for temporal clones.

uncopy2002
Level: Smiter
Rank Points: 431
Registered: 07-28-2014
IP: Logged

I think it just has to do with movement order. A citizen that builds an oremite on a Soldier will cause the soldier to disarm one turn later, instead of immediately.

Nuntar
Level: Smitemaster

Rank Points: 4964
Registered: 02-20-2007
IP: Logged

That also sounds like an oversight that should be fixed. Oremites are meant to work immediately: anything pushed onto oremites loses its weapon and doesn't, for example, break a mirror on a tile beyond.

____________________________
50th Skywatcher

skell
Level: Legendary Smitemaster

Rank Points: 3775
Registered: 12-28-2004
IP: Logged

The part mentioned by blorx1 was fixed here but I'd also like to fix building/removing oremites not triggering weapon (un)sheathing. Is there a risk of breaking any demos? The rules would be the same, in that the weapon would toggle state immediately, block monsters/aumtlich beams immediately, but still only stab on the turn the monster moves.

____________________________
My website

Dragon Fogel
Level: Smitemaster
Rank Points: 2558
Registered: 06-21-2014
IP: Logged

Guard Level 1N1E in Finding the First Truth involves removing oremites under a guard. The guard is disarmed for one turn after the oremites are removed and then gets re-armed on the next turn, which results in him destroying a bomb.

Changing this would not impact the solution, but would likely break demos because the bomb would be destroyed one turn earlier. The bomb lights a fuse, though, so it would probably be possible to make the fuse one tile longer to make sure existing demos are preserved without having other effects.

Quick edit: Actually, now that I think about it, it might not even cause a delay. There is one turn where you can see the guard is no longer on oremites, but he has no sword. Since he only strikes on his own turn, what you would instead see is the guard with his sword over the bomb. Should be easy enough to confirm that it works that way with the test build.

---

[Last edited by Dragon Fogel at 10-16-2020 07:26 PM]

skell
Level: Legendary Smitemaster

Rank Points: 3775
Registered: 12-28-2004
IP: Logged

File: BUG REPORT Build weapon sheathing.hold (1.1 KB)
Downloaded 47 times.
License: Public Domain

PR

And modified. Building or removing Oremites or Shallow water will cause an immediate resheathing of the weapon of the monster on that tile. No weapon strike by default though, normal striking rules apply (during movement's turn).

Attached example hold.

____________________________
My website

---

[Last edited by skell at 10-19-2020 11:01 AM]

kieranmillar
Level: Smitemaster
Rank Points: 3143
Registered: 07-11-2014
IP: Logged

Behaviour demonstrated in the example hold is working correctly in 5.1.1.alpha.2020-10-29.