DiMono
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Rabscuttle wrote:
Almost a full demo for the entire KDD (by stitching together all the above demos together). I can't work out how to include the stair-rooms properly though. Even without them, it's still over 6 hours long.

However, on the other hand, the demos for all 25 levels are a mere 6 hours long! If you're an experienced smitemaster, you should be able to play the entire game through in a single sitting!

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The demo is the full 25 levels, not just mine.

Hrm... sped up it took 1 and a half hours on this machine.

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File: KDD Seventh Level a17.demo (6 KB)
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Level 7:

*dances with snakes*

H345,
V2345,
H2345,
V2345...

old: Time: 13:47 Moves: 4444 Rooms: 26/16
new: Time: 12:39 Moves: 2773 Rooms: 28/16

UPDATE: redid it, knocked off 30 moves

[Edited by Rabscuttle at Local Time:11-25-2004 at 06:56 AM]

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Nice Rabscuttle.

I'm sure we could drop a lot more moves if those were like in the least number of turns contest. You could use checkpoints, die, concentrate on one room at a time...

That's how the Caravelnet high scores works. Right?

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That's what it sounds like to me.

I quite like the whole level challenge though. You have to figure out an efficient room order, it includes rooms where it takes time to traverse them as opposed to just kill the monsters and get out (eg L4N1E1, level 11, level 15), and the challenge of just getting through the level in one shot.

And it looks quite cool when they're strung together and sped up if you have an hour to spare.

*cough*

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Of course, that said, I'm still looking forward to the best room-demos.

Level 14:

*dances with goblins*
I want to make a wallflower joke, but I can't think of a good one.

I managed to work out the proper way of doing 2E (i.e. using the trapdoor)

Old: Time: 14:01 Moves: 3673 Rooms: 26/13
New: Time: 10:55 Moves: 2074 Rooms: 22/13

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Also level 2 is linked the wrong demo.


http://www.drod.net/forum/getattachment.php?id=1964

Stats should be
Time: 15:32 Moves: 3042 Rooms: 25/17

So we're still a little way off from 6 hours (because I am slow )


[Edited by Rabscuttle at Local Time:11-27-2004 at 02:40 AM]

[Edited by Rabscuttle at Local Time:11-27-2004 at 02:41 AM]

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Updated complete demo (still sans stairs)

Now with uniform time! 20 moves per second!

That's about 1 hour 13 minutes at normal speed, minus a bit because of the missing rooms, plus a bit because the pause between rooms.

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I'm replaying KDD and I decided to record my level 13.
Surprisingly nobody had made it perfectly yet. (It should be now optimal)

Old record:

Time: 4:39
Moves: 1463
Rooms: 35 / 18

New Record:

Time: 4:48
Moves: 1432
Rooms 35 / 18

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It looks optimal to me (dag nab it!)

Nice work

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Level 19

old - Time: 11:43 Moves: 2691 Rooms: 21/12
new - Time: 10:12 Moves: 2581 Rooms: 21/12

Improved a few of the rooms and found a better order to do them in.

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erm... I was deleting some demos and found a small improvement that I'd forgotten about.

Level 19:
old - Time: 10:12 Moves: 2581 Rooms: 21/12
new - Time: 9:46 Moves: 2577 Rooms: 21/12



[Edited by Rabscuttle at Local Time:12-10-2004 at 11:14 PM: attachment problems]

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Level 12

Over half the moves are waiting

old: Time: 11:35 Moves: 5827 Rooms: 17/11
new: Time: 13:53 Moves: 4927 Rooms: 17/11

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I will give it another go. If I have a demo exported to my computer,how do I read the level time and moves from the program?

[Edited by rowrow at Local Time:12-14-2004 at 03:27 PM]

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- First you open the DemoCount program.

- Click "Select" and find your exported demo file.

- Choose it and click "Count time & moves"

- You should see all required information in the list.

- If you ever want to remove the demo from the list click "forget selected node"

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I can't open the program. It says "could not find the main class. Program will exit!"

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Do you know what version of java you have? I think I had a similar problem (that went away when I updated), but I might be remembering the wrong error message.

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Level 12 (again)

old: Time: 13:53 Moves: 4927 Rooms: 17/11
new: Time: 13:54 Moves: 4913 Rooms: 17/11

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Level 22

This was the last level to be demoed and I'm not surprised. The answer to the question posed at the start of the level is "Argh! I wouldn't wait until I was hungry, stupid mimics stabbing each other and walking onto arrows grumble grumble mutter"

old: Time: 30:38 Moves: 7076 Rooms: 27/12
new: Time: 30:52 Moves: 3525 Rooms: 21/12

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Updated full demo with the latest 12, 13, 19, 22.

You know you've been playing too much DROD when you get confused between Santa Claus and the Neather, just because they both come on the twenty fifth.

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Level 10:

old - Time: 7:36 Moves: 1940 Rooms: 14/11
new - Time: 8:14 Moves: 1497 Rooms: 14/11

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I did Level 25, and I think it's an improvement. DemoCount loads fine for me, but when I click "Count time & moves" I get "Annoying pop-up box!" telling me "org.xml.SAXParseException: 16"
This happens whether I've selected my own demo, or one I downloaded. Uh... I don't know anything about error messages, but if there's something simple I can do to possibly get it working, I'll try it.

Anyway, demo is attatched. I remembered how much I like level 25 while attempting the challenge to stab the 'Neather in 1N2W without exiting and reentering (Still can't do it -- if only roaches would move before 'Neather).

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It gives me the same error.
All other demos work for me. There must be something wrong.

I can't check it in game because my after-corrupt KDD save is in L23 at the moment.

Still, have a point. I believe, you did it. But I can't add you to scores without any data.

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I downloaded the level 25 demo by tiercel3 and it behaved the same way. It imported just fine, but DemoCount can't count it. Maybe it's something to do with going down the final stairs of a hold.
Added up the 12 individual move counts that were created on the in-game demo screens, and I got 3173 (but I used pen and paper... there's a good chance that I made a mistake... I mean, first I had to carry a 5, and then a 6).

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I may check it after I reach level 25. (Halfway through 24 at the moment) Unless someone else does it first...

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You're clear, Hix. 3173 moves as you said. (Thanks to you for getting me to play my save to the end of Level 25 too )

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Finally this program started working. thanx everyone.

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Can level 1 be done in less? All the other levels are so hard to get less. I wish it was working before.

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From the first page of this thread, I'm guessing Kevin and DiMono have managed to optimise level 1 (there's certainly no obvious improvements that I can see)
I'd also be extremely surprised if Level 13 is not optimal.

Of the ones I've done, level 19 and level 10 are the only ones that I currently don't know of any improvements to (but that's not to say they aren't there.)

I haven't yet seen Hix's L25, but all other levels are improvable.

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Tommorow I am making one for l 13. I can get 1499 with many bumping into walls.

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Rabscuttle wrote:
From the first page of this thread, I'm guessing Kevin and DiMono have managed to optimise level 1 (there's certainly no obvious improvements that I can see)

Demo Stats
KDD First Level.demo
Time: 12:38
Moves: 1646
Rooms: 25/16

Cut down five moves in 6N2W. I 'copied' the rest of the solutions from Kevin's demo (therefore the long duration).

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