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rowrow wrote:
How do you export whole level demos? I did a demo for level 3 the right way (f5) and after I finished, I wnt to f6 and it only had individual demos

Actually F5 records short demos in every room you visit and combines them together. You'll only see one room at a time. If you watch your invidual demo, you'll see that it continues into the next room. You can export the first room.

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OK I see the right demo but it only says the time and moves for that room?

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Find the one with the (1) next to it, and that will take the rest with it. Like a posse.

Or a Sheik with his harem.

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I'm not sure if this is right cause the whole level demo only said how many moves the entrance did. I did a huge mistake but not so many little ones I don't think. tell me if I got more than the record

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Within the confines of DROD you'll only ever see the number of moves for the specific part of the demo you're watching. The tool linked to in the first post of this thread will give you a correct count.

Edit:
Original demo:
Time: 11:36
Moves: 3504
Rooms: 35/20

Your demo:
Time: 17:31
Moves: 4348
Rooms: 45/20

[Edited by DiMono on 09-10-2004 at 11:59 PM GMT]

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Oh well I geuss I really suck at demos. I won't try to compare with the experts. That last mistake on the demo makes me look awful and to tell you the truth ,I am.

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Actually, the biggest difference-maker in length of full-level demos is planning. Look at the level in the editor, plan your route, then practice each room a couple times so you know what you're doing going in. Then it's just straightforward following of plans.

Edit: As much as I'd like to take credit for it, the current level 9 demo is Mikko's not mine. The list needs some updating.

[Edited by DiMono on 09-11-2004 at 02:51 AM GMT]

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Sorry for the double post, but here's an improvement (in moves only) to level 2. It took me about twice as long, because I was too lazy to plan the rooms properly.

Time: 16:32
Moves: 3506
Rooms: 25/17

Edit: Redid it, and the only change was the number of moves, which dropped by exactly 80. It's not quite optimised yet, there are a few places where I know I dropped some moves, but it's getting there. Current numbers:

Time: 16:32
Moves: 3426
Rooms: 25/17

[Edited by DiMono on 09-11-2004 at 04:52 AM GMT]

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Here's my demo for level 2. I recorded this a few days ago, but hadn't gotten around to posting it yet.

Time: 10:42
Moves: 3133
Rooms: 25/17

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Wow. I tried some of these and I can get near 4000 but no lower

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Wow, I wonder if we can break the 100000 barrier!

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It would take a lot of patience, and would either be the offspring of someone very bad at DROD or a lot of pointless '5' holding and running around in litle circles and spinnig round and...you get my point.

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wackhead_uk wrote:
It would take a lot of patience, and would either be the offspring of someone very bad at DROD or a lot of pointless '5' holding and running around in litle circles and spinnig round and...you get my point.

No, you mistake me: I mean finishing the entire hold in less than 100000 moves.

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Besides, we've already had some rooms created that require as many as 10^35 moves to complete. 100,000 wouldn't be anything special.

[Edited by DiMono on 09-13-2004 at 11:48 PM GMT]

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Need to loose a bit more than 1000 moves thats probably possible considering how many levels have yet to be looked at.

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It would take ages to do anything like optimizing a whole hold... I will stick with drodis if you dont mind

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This is a lot harder than it looks. I'm too reliant on checkpoints rather than not dying.

Level 17
Time: 24:09 Moves: 3378 Rooms: 25/12

Less moves.
Longer time, partly because I'm at work and getting periodically interrupted, partly because I'm thinking
More rooms, because it's quicker to do a loop-de-loop than muck about hitting buttons and trapdoors in 1E (I think)

Room for improvement in 1E1S but I am now thoroughly sick of this level. So bleargh.

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Well Done, Rabscuttle! We're now under 100000 moves for the whole KDD!

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Rabscuttle wrote:
More rooms, because it's quicker to do a loop-de-loop than muck about hitting buttons and trapdoors in 1E (I think)

I'm pretty sure you're right. I did a quick comparison of demos. It took me 700 moves to do this room from the left and only 235 moves to do it from the south. While the first demo isn't exactly optimised, the difference is large enough that your looping around idea is almost certain to save quite a few moves.

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Actually, what I mean is that if you're moving through it from west to south when it's already completed, it's quicker to just go round the other way, due to having to get all the trapdoors and orbs. 194 vs 138 moves according to my tests.

I don't think it's possible to save enough time by completing the room and exiting to the south in the same visit as the tar expands too quickly and you have to waste time hacking it away from the trap doors.

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Level 5

old stats:
Time: 43:21 Moves: 7167 Rooms: 45/22

My demo:
Time: 35:54 Moves: 4845 Rooms: 47/22

Some minor mishaps in 3E and 2W but otherwise most rooms are pretty close to the best that I've got them individually.

[Edited by Rabscuttle on 09-19-2004 at 10:56 AM GMT]

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Level 2

Tough one to better, but I found a few tricksy improvements.

old: Time: 16:32 Moves: 3426 Rooms: 25/17
new: Time: 16:20 Moves: 3252 Rooms: 25/17

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improved my L5

old - Time: 35:54 Moves: 4845 Rooms: 47/22
new - Time: 32:55 Moves: 4595 Rooms: 47/22

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Level 19

old: Time: 11:51 Moves: 3785 Rooms: 27/12
new: Time: 11:43 Moves: 2691 Rooms: 21/12

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Sorry for the sence post, but I just noticed that Kevin has a demo for level 2 back about 15 posts that trumps mine.

http://www.drod.net/forum/viewtopic.php?TopicID=3588&page=1#36889

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More level 2

I've taken the best ideas from the demos already up, managed to wring a some extra moves out of a few of the rooms, found a nifty queen trapping manouvere in 2E and I spurn the 'good timing makes things a lot easier' scroll.

old - Time: 10:42 Moves: 3133 Rooms: 25/17
new - Time: 15:32 Moves: 3042 Rooms: 25/17

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Level 23

old record -> Time: 12:03 Moves: 3449 Rooms: 18/12
new record -> Time: 11:45 Moves: 2332 Rooms: 18/12

I'm not sure who chased each other more, me or the goblins. Some nifty mimicry based on dividendD's challenge in 1S3W. And I signed 2S

[Edited by Rabscuttle at Local Time:10-02-2004 at 05:12 AM]

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Level 17 again

old -> Time: 24:09 Moves: 3378 Rooms: 25/12
new -> Time: 13:39 Moves: 2951 Rooms: 23/12

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Level 21

Old stats -> Time: 23:49 Moves: 6983 Rooms: 19/11
New stats -> Time: 27:10 Moves: 4317 Rooms: 19/11

Most of the rooms could be optimised more than I expected. A lot of maneuvering queens into groups and into corridors. Less eggs = less QWing = less blisters

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Almost a full demo for the entire KDD (by stitching together all the above demos together). I can't work out how to include the stair-rooms properly though. Even without them, it's still over 6 hours long.