agaricus5 wrote:
I think I forgot the mimic potion for this room. I thought it was there, but on closer looking, it's not next to the scroll at the bottom-left, as I thought.

Does this disqualify the hold?

Scott wrote:
When you say a hold must be completed does that mean the exit level comes up or you get to the exit stairs?

In Rickeys hold (Deliverance)

Click here to view the secret text

×I have completed all the rooms but am unable to get to the exit because you can't go back through 1S1W.

bibelot wrote:

Scott wrote:
When you say a hold must be completed does that mean the exit level comes up or you get to the exit stairs?

In Rickeys hold (Deliverance)

Click here to view the secret text

×I have completed all the rooms but am unable to get to the exit because you can't go back through 1S1W.

Click here to view the secret text

×Perhaps you weren't being hasty enough?

Sim wrote:

Click here to view the secret text

×I thought that all holds were meant to be solvable and must not be able to be made unsolvable. I'm having the same problem in Delivery too.

The only other hold I have left to complete is the Obstruction one, I'm still stuck on the first room, but I think I've nearly got it. Who made that hold by the way, I didn't see a forum name there?

Sim wrote:

Click here to view the secret text

×I thought that all holds were meant to be solvable and must not be able to be made unsolvable. I'm having the same problem in Delivery too.

agaricus5 wrote:
I think I forgot the mimic potion for this room. I thought it was there, but on closer looking, it's not next to the scroll at the bottom-left, as I thought.

ErikH2000 wrote:
For example, in Bibelot's hold

Click here to view the secret text

×it seems that you can miss the solution and be given the impression the hold is insolvable.

.

ErikH2000 wrote:
I'm a little irritated, because it seems that authors should at a minimum ensure that their hold is solvable, but...

I'll leave it up to the voters to decide. If you feel like holding it against the author that a mistake made the hold unsolvable, so be it. But if you get stuck, please confirm with the author that you aren't just missing the correct way to solve the hold. For example, in Bibelot's hold

Click here to view the secret text

×it seems that you can miss the solution and be given the impression the hold is insolvable.

.

-Erik

agaricus5 wrote:

ErikH2000 wrote:
I'm a little irritated, because it seems that authors should at a minimum ensure that their hold is solvable, but...

I'm very sorry, Erik.

Mikko wrote:
I'm stuck on 1E in the Return hold. I can easily clear the first two groups of monsters, but in the third one I can only manage to kill 10 roaches.

In Obstruction, 2S2W also seems impossible to me, and not just the exit room.

gds wrote:
Erik, the I-ching description for entry 4 (Clayton) and entry 7 (watcher) is the same. I don't think it's meant to be as it doesn't match watcher hold.

[Edited by gds on 04-18-2004 at 01:22 PM GMT]

Watcher wrote:

gds wrote:
Erik, the I-ching description for entry 4 (Clayton) and entry 7 (watcher) is the same. I don't think it's meant to be as it doesn't match watcher hold.

[Edited by gds on 04-18-2004 at 01:22 PM GMT]

Huh? That reading is the one Erik sent me. It is also placed on a couple of scrolls right at the beginning of my hold. I don't see how it doesn't match. Unless, of course, I have done a lousy job on the hold.

agaricus5 wrote:
The reading does require and relies on the imagination quite heavily. As explained in the final sets of scrolls in 1N, the reading sort of matches the hold when you fill in the obvious limitations of the reading with your imagination.

Oh, and on that note, Watcher, in what language are the symbols in the room corners?

gds wrote:
Erik, the I-ching description for entry 4 (Clayton) and entry 7 (watcher) is the same. I don't think it's meant to be as it doesn't match watcher hold.

Watcher wrote:
Huh? That reading is the one Erik sent me. It is also placed on a couple of scrolls right at the beginning of my hold. I don't see how it doesn't match. Unless, of course, I have done a lousy job on the hold.

swann_88 wrote:
dimono
I too had no Idea what was intended with the roach maze
until after I passed the green door
I thought "nothing is undertaken" covered standing still to kill the first snake

ps I never met a dimono room I didn't have to restart from scratch yet oh well at least I get through them in the end

agaricus5 wrote:

Click here to view the secret text

×...solve it the way that I made it. It's Anyone Edit, so you can make a copy of the room. Once you have an editable copy, note the position of Beethro and his mimic when you step on the second potion, and use it as the starting point. In a step-by-step format, imagine you have moved Beethro forward (or backward along the trapdoor area, and turn the trapdoor with the mimic potion to a pit, as would have happened if you did this in the game. Place a force arrow over the pit to show which direction you have moved (so you don't forget) and do likewise for the mimic, for it would have moved as well. Continue on, replacing one trapdoor at a time with pit and marking the movements of both you and the mimic. Eventually you should be able to guess at the solution by looking at your relative positions and remaining trapdoors. Oh, and if you make a mistake, just reset the trapdoors and remove the arrows back to a point where you know your solution is correct.