Zaratustra
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On Level 25, 1N2W, I killed every creature but the Brain, let the Neather make his scampering escape, then left the room the way he came from (Marker 1). Then I came back. And who was waiting for me? Yes, that annoying dwarf. I stabbed him mercilessly, but the game would deny me the sweet release of victory. And I had to kill the bugs all over again.

So, uh, yeah. I think it´s a bug.

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[Edited by Zaratustra on 02-19-2004 at 12:12 PM GMT]

eytanz
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It's a known bug, and one which is not going to be fixed - Erik seems to have decided that getting to the 'neather early is more of an unintentional easter egg than an actual problem, and no changes are planned to Dugan's Dungeon.

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Zaratustra
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It's not a bug, it's a feature? Well, maybe have the Neather say something more meaningful when stabbed in that screen, or maybe dance a little jig.

eytanz
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No, it's definitely a bug - it's just one that, due to various reasons, the dev team decided not to fix.

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The_Red_Hawk
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Maybe when the 'Neather is stabbed he has armour, except he loses it in the last room.

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MartianInvader
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Here's a funny thing - in 2W I actually thought you had to kill the 'Neather to beat the room



I thought that this was the intended solution! Imagine my surprise/frustration when I found out that I knew how to kill the 'Neather in this room, but didn't know how to beat it!


By the way, if you messed up on 1S and have to go around the circuit again, is there any way to get through 2W? I found myself having to restore back to 1S.

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DiMono
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The room respawns in its entirety, so you can in fact just replay it the same way you did the first time

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MartianInvader
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Hm... that's odd. Maybe this is a real bug then. When I play through the second time the room doesn't respawn at all. I enter and there's no 'Neather and no monsters (and hence no way to get out since the necessary button is across a pit). Are you saying that they should all come back if you've conquered the room and are coming through for a second time? I'm pretty sure that's not what's happening with my game.

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DiMono
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In that case, we seem to have identified an entirely separate bug: if you kill the 'Neather too early, then return to the room in which you killed him, the room does not respawn correctly.

I can even tell you why:

When you kill the 'Neather in the room, and there are no surviving monsters, the room satisfies the "conquered" status, and as we all know, you never have to defeat rooms you've conquered twice. So, Matt, should there be a piece of code added to the game that checks to make sure whether you're in KDD level 25 before determining conquered status, since this can prevent you from completing the game?

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