The Mystic
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I downloaded the "Push it" levelset a while back, and when I downloaded the freeware version of SubTerra, some of the levels were changed to "Out of Order."

Does anyone have a copy of the levelset that has the regular levels instead of the "Out of Order" ones?

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[Last edited by The Mystic at 11-02-2006 09:55 PM]

Radiant!
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This sounds very strange. Have you tried downloading the freeware version again? It works for everybody else as far as I can tell. If not, please attach your player.cfg file and I'll take a look at it.

The Mystic
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File: Push-it.LVL (37.2 KB)
Downloaded 43 times.
License: Other
From: Not specified

I reinstalled the version I have, and the levels still said "Out of Order." And with my download speed (a whopping 4KB/sec), I haven't had a chance to get the most up-to-date one off your site.

However, I did manage to find an older version of the Push-it puzzles on my backup disk, and it works fine--except the titled levels all have a time limit of 60 seconds. I'm posting it here, so you can see what it looks like; I got it from Spiderweb's website back when SubTerra was still shareware.

EDIT: This version doesn't contain the "Out of Order" levels.

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[Last edited by The Mystic at 11-24-2006 10:40 PM]

The Mystic
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File: Player.cfg (1.2 KB)
Downloaded 42 times.
License: Public Domain

I hate to double-post, but I can't attach more than one file at a time.

Here's my player.cfg file for you to look at. I didn't play any of the "Out of Order" levels, though.

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The Stew Boy
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If you want to send multiple files you could always zip them.

The Mystic
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File: Push-it Puzzles.LVL (115.5 KB)
Downloaded 40 times.
License: Public Domain

Oops, I forgot about that. It's one of the subtle joys of having a mind like a steel sieve.

Anyway, I managed to redownload the installer (25 minutes with my connection), and I still have the same problem. Attached is the "Push-it" levelset that came with the EXE; it contains the aforementioned "Out of Order" levels.

(warning: off topic) By the way, although my player.cfg file doesn't have any "Out of Order" levels recorded on it, it DOES prove that I've solved all the "Supaplex" levels.

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Radiant!
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Got it. I'll look into it.

Radiant!
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I think you should download the Push-It levelset again. It's supposed to be 116 kb in size, whereas yours is 38 kb. It would seem that you have an old version. Let me know if this helps please.

The Mystic
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File: Push-it Puzzles.LVL (115.5 KB)
Downloaded 38 times.
License: Public Domain

Here's the only other version of the levelset that I managed to find. It came with the installer from the official SubTerra website, and still has the "Out of Order" levels.

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Radiant!
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File: PushExtra.zip (3 KB)
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License: Public Domain

Oh wait a second. Now I get what you mean... in the original Push-It levelset, five levels turned out to be actually impossible (all other levelsets have demos of everything, but I'm not that fond of pushing puzzles so I kind of assumed they were possible out of hand). So these five were removed from more recent versions of the level set.

If you want I can send you the files (in fact I've attached them) but they're really quite impossible

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silver
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some years ago, I had volunteered to fix them, but got stuck on one that was impossible even with "the obvious minor mistake" fixed, and then I had some personal issues to do with changing jobs/lives. sorry.


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The Mystic
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Radiant! wrote:
Oh wait a second. Now I get what you mean... in the original Push-It levelset, five levels turned out to be actually impossible (all other levelsets have demos of everything, but I'm not that fond of pushing puzzles so I kind of assumed they were possible out of hand). So these five were removed from more recent versions of the level set.

5 impossible levels, eh? No wonder I had such a tough time with them. ("The Queue" alone nearly drove me bonkers.)

silver wrote:
some years ago, I had volunteered to fix them, but got stuck on one that was impossible even with "the obvious minor mistake" fixed, and then I had some personal issues to do with changing jobs/lives. sorry.

No need to apologize for not fixing them. By the way, which one was still impossible?

I think I'll have a go at making them playable, and post them here as they're completed.

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silver
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I have no idea which one. it was years ago.


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Radiant!
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The Mystic wrote:
I think I'll have a go at making them playable, and post them here as they're completed.

That would be neat!

The Mystic
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File: turning Ninety-one.SUB (547 bytes)
Downloaded 42 times.
License: Public Domain

"Turning Ninety-One" should work now, but I haven't solved it yet. I don't think it's possible to complete within even a 999-second time limit. I'm posting it here, in case anyone wants to check.

In the meantime, I'm now focusing my efforts on "The Queue," my original nemesis of these puzzles.

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If people don't think there's something wrong with you, there's something wrong with you.
Oh well. Another day, another dementia.

The Mystic
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File: secret Passage.SUB (1.1 KB)
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License: Public Domain

After several hours of working on "The Queue" and getting nowhere I've decided to put it aside for a while.

In the meantime, I'm posting a solvable version of "Secret Passage." It was surprisingly easy to fix.

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If people don't think there's something wrong with you, there's something wrong with you.
Oh well. Another day, another dementia.

The Mystic
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File: fixed Push-It puzzles.zip (6.3 KB)
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License: Public Domain

Here's the three levels I've fixed so far, all in one zip file: De-Localized, Gordian Knot, and Secret Passage. I'm surprised at how easy they were to make playable.

The Queue and Turning Ninety-One, on the other hand, will probably take me the rest of the year (if ever) to fix.

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If people don't think there's something wrong with you, there's something wrong with you.
Oh well. Another day, another dementia.

Radiant!
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Thank you, very cool.

For some reason I'm way better at complex puzzles (e.g. Rooms of Confusion and Razzle Dazzle) than at merely moving blocks around.

You could probably fix Turning 91 so that you don't have to do the cycle quite as often. It gets boring after a while, anyway.

The Mystic
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No problem.

I've seen your puzzles (obviously). I wouldn't be surprised if I never complete some of them, even with cheating.

Radiant! wrote:
You could probably fix Turning 91 so that you don't have to do the cycle quite as often. It gets boring after a while, anyway.

I'd say the same thing is true for The Queue, too, especially because the cycle gets longer with each block you move. I'll look them over again in January, my dance card is rather full at the moment. (I think I've gotten them playable, just not winnable in a reasonable time limit.)

In the meantime, if you want to put the puzzles I fixed back into the levelset, go right ahead.

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If people don't think there's something wrong with you, there's something wrong with you.
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Radiant!
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Levelpack update with fixed push-it puzzles:

http://crystalshard.net/zip/LEVELPAK.ZIP

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[Last edited by Radiant! at 12-26-2006 08:02 PM]

The Mystic
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File: turning Ninety-one.SUB (547 bytes)
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License: Public Domain

I think I've fixed Turning Ninrty-One. It still has a very long solution time, and I don't have the patience at the moment to make sure. I'm posting it here if anyone wants to test it.

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If people don't think there's something wrong with you, there's something wrong with you.
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The Mystic
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File: the Queue.SUB (5.3 KB)
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License: Public Domain

EUREKA!!!!!

I finally fixed The Queue! It has an inasnely long solution time (about 800 seconds), but at least it can be solved now.

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Radiant
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Awesome!!!


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The Mystic
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File: turning Ninety-one v2.SUB (545 bytes)
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I'm going to give up on Turning Ninety-one for a while, it's driving me nuts. The shortest solution time I've gotten is well over 999 seconds, and I can't seem to get a shorter time without reworking the entire puzzle.

In the meantime, here's the closest thing I've gotten to a working version.

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The Mystic
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File: turning Ninety-one v3.SUB (8.5 KB)
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I rearranged Turning Ninety-one a bit, and it now works. Unfortunately, there's no way it can be solved within a 999-second time limit. I timed myself, and it takes about 1200-1300 seconds to solve in its current form. Believe it or not, that's actually down from the previous versions I've posted.

Any suggestions, comments, etc. are welcome; otherwise, I'm just going to drop the project until about June.

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Either I'm crazy, or everybody else is nuts. And I know I'm not crazy because the little man who lives on my shoulder told me so.
If people don't think there's something wrong with you, there's something wrong with you.
Oh well. Another day, another dementia.

The Mystic
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File: turning Ninety-one v4.SUB (7.6 KB)
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After a lot of revising, testing, retesting, frustration, swearing, and a few cases of eye strain and carpal tunnel, I finally have a version of Turning Ninety-one (my fourth) that's solvable within the maximum time limit.

Now, if I'm not mistaken, all the "Out of Order" puzzles have been fixed.

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If people don't think there's something wrong with you, there's something wrong with you.
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The Mystic
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File: turning Ninety-one.SUB (547 bytes)
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License: Public Domain

YES!!!

Finally, miraculously, I'm done with Turning Ninety-one. It now works, and has a reasonable (if still a bit long) solution time.

Excuse me while I toot my own horn.

Edit: Now all the Push-it levels have been fixed.

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Either I'm crazy, or everybody else is nuts. And I know I'm not crazy because the little man who lives on my shoulder told me so.
If people don't think there's something wrong with you, there's something wrong with you.
Oh well. Another day, another dementia.

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[Last edited by The Mystic at 06-12-2007 08:26 PM]

Radiant!
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Awesome job!!!!

The Mystic
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File: fixed Push-It puzzles.zip (17.9 KB)
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Thanks.

Here's a level pack containing all five formerly "Out of Order" levels, now totally fixed and playable, for whenever you decide to update the levelset.

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Either I'm crazy, or everybody else is nuts. And I know I'm not crazy because the little man who lives on my shoulder told me so.
If people don't think there's something wrong with you, there's something wrong with you.
Oh well. Another day, another dementia.