mrimer
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Here's a dungeon I designed to bring you back to where it all started. It has a touch of everything, but it's not what it seems, so watch your back! (Can you find all six levels?)

[Edited by mrimer on 11-26-2003 at 02:24 AM GMT]

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OK let me get this straight...


If so, then a nice hold. Some nasty puzzles on level 2.


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krammer wrote:
OK let me get this straight...

Click here to view the secret text

×None of Level 3 is solvable, correct?

If so, then a nice hold. Some nasty puzzles on level 2.

I've made it to level 5... the only room I haven't beaten is the one with the serpent and the tar...

And I was amazed I could clear the staircase room on level 2. WOO!

Nice job, thus far.

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krammer...here'e a hint...



Game on,

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ClaytonW wrote:
I've made it to level 5... the only room I haven't beaten is the one with the serpent and the tar...

This was one of the toughest for me too.

And I was amazed I could clear the staircase room on level 2. WOO!

That was fun.

I just finished it. Very nicely done. The ambush level was interesting. Any plans to expand this idea to include a full 25 levels, mrimer ?


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ClaytonW wrote:
I've made it to level 5... the only room I haven't beaten is the one with the serpent and the tar...

I saved that one for last. Here's what I did:



Oh, and it wasn't even worth it to me to find the secret staircase, although I might try again later.

Game on,

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I beat it! Very good things happen in this hold. I like all of it. For the snake/tar room...

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ClaytonW wrote:
I've made it to level 5... the only room I haven't beaten is the one with the serpent and the tar...

Are there 5 levels? I only found 4.

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Scott wrote:
Are there 5 levels? I only found 4.

I think it depends on which way you go...check out the hold in the editor once you beat it.

Game on,

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Oneiromancer wrote:
krammer...here'e a hint...

Click here to view the secret text

×Remember the options you can select in the editor...

I still don't get level 3.

Level 2 was great.

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Ah so there are infact 6 levels.

bcdribbs



Still stuck? This is really a give away so as a last resort

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Thanks Scott... but, hmm... well I'd figured out the first hint, and the second hint didn't really give away anything to me... I must be really dense tonight, I'm still not seeing what I don't see, I'll take a look at it tommorrow.

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Follow up hint

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Now that I see it, it is obvious, I even stared at it for some time thinking

That was really dense of me, but a clever play on expectations in the level design.

edit:
(by expectations I meant that you see that sort of construct in the normal dugan's but not ever used in that way)

Also...is it even possible to get past the room after the dungeon guards warning?

[Edited by bdcribbs on 08-09-2003 at 08:50 AM]

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Yes indeed it is. I cleared every room on lvl 1.

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Yes, level one has turned into something almost resembling level 21. It is possible though. I would suggest looking at Eytanz' example with his one room "puzzle" with roach movement. (Not sure what it's called).

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Could you PLEASE send me an editable copy of the hold via E-Mail? I'm really stuck and want to see what the rest of the hold looks like.sheddle@charter.net

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Don't do it! You'll spoil it for yourself!!!

Maybe sending a demo would help?

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If you're stuck on the tough level 1 rooms, you can beat the rest of the dungeon and then check them out in the editor. If you're stuck elsewhere, yes, let us help you in the usual way. There's really only one room that relies on pure luck as far as I know (that snake and tar one), so if you can beat Dugan's you can beat this one.

Game on,

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mrimer wrote:
Don't do it! You'll spoil it for yourself!!!

Maybe sending a demo would help?

Never mind, got past it. Now stuck on DownWard Descent. l2 and l3 were cool. BTW This is not good...

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billbuckner wrote:BTW This is not good...

I noticed that too, so I had to post something quick!

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I just wanted to say I keep coming back to this hold.

Especially the level two exit room. I had a long drawn out battle on my hands the first time I solved that room, as I had little control over the queens and many were escaping to verious corners.

I kept thinking there had to be a better way, and I found it...
228 moves, solved in under a minute. (see attached demo)

(btw, this room was part of the reason I made the bride of the arena hold.)

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ARGH!
Thats it. I give. Need help on Downward descent, once east. I finished every other room on the level, besides that one.
Heeeeeelp!:/



[Edited by Terrafire on 11-14-2003 at 06:38 PM GMT: adding grammer]

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Seeing this topic bumped up got me to download the hold and give it a go, and alas, I too am stuck on Downward Descent once east, the Eight Queen Problem. Help!

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Oh man, I feel dumb after figuring that one out. I seriously got it as soon as I posted the last message.



I can't believe I didn't get it sooner.

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Oops.(winces)

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I just can't solve the room with the tar and serpent on Downward Descent... yuck. Does the creator of this hold have an intended solution? I know it's possible to solve it on luck(my friend managed that on his own game... lucky )

So, does anyone have any advice?

~joker5

[Edited by Schik on 11-25-2003 at 09:47 PM GMT: closed tags]

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I posted a hint higher up in the thread on how I solved it, but that was in a beta version of DROD so I haven't played it through again with the final version, so I don't have a demo saved. It was basically luck for me too.

Game on,

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I solved it with luck earlier but can't seem to do it now and don't have a demo.

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Hmm...I would have to agree that there isn't a set of moves I would always take to beat this room, but I think the problem lies in the complexity (even...gasp...unpredictability?) of the serpent behavior, not in the puzzle itself, per se. If you have a good approach, getting the snake works itself out most times.

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Gandalf the Grey. That was my name.
I am Gandalf the White.
And I come back to you now at the turn of the tide.