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All I can say is..
.. this is totally awesome :D Hurry up next 2 hour block, I want to see my snake move again.. :D

Sounds like you've put in a lot of work on this Erik, and its definitely worth it. Already.
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If you're using firefox, you may find the Image Zoom extension useful for viewing the snake pits. It lets you scale any image up or down.

Right-clicking an image gives you a context menu, allowing you to chose a specific zoom factor, or you can simply hold the right mouse button and use the scroll wheel on the mouse to zoom the image in real time.
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I can already tell what my first feature request is going to be: the ability to click on a snake (or otherwise select one) and determine its number. Priority calculations are going to be fairly relevant here, and while I can deduce which snake is which by counting the coordinates, it's not easy. I have to count from my known coordinates to determine the coordinates of the target snake, and then scan through the list of live snakes to determine who it might be.

(I realize that this is not all that easy a feature to provide, though, since each image is just presented as an image. Still, you can't fault a guy for asking. Well, I guess you can...)

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I know I am think ahead but what happens if you go off screen to the right? My image just cuts off with out walls does it go to another image?

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Your goal in this first snakepit will be to reach the rightmost side. As soon as everyone has either reached that side or died, I'll start survivors in the next snakepit. We may finish the snakepit a little early if it is clear which players will go on to the next snakepit. This first snakepit has two purposes, to weed out nonparticipants and to give everyone a little practice. It is possible to die in this snakepit, but if you pay attention and understand the rules, you'll find that survival is completely within your control.



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I can already tell what my first feature request is going to be: the ability to click on a snake (or otherwise select one) and determine its number. Priority calculations are going to be fairly relevant here, and while I can deduce which snake is which by counting the coordinates, it's not easy. I have to count from my known coordinates to determine the coordinates of the target snake, and then scan through the list of live snakes to determine who it might be.

(I realize that this is not all that easy a feature to provide, though, since each image is just presented as an image. Still, you can't fault a guy for asking. Well, I guess you can...)

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You realise that you can select a snake from its dropdown box, and there will be a square around the head of that snake.

Also, is it ok if we put commands like Bx10? or atleast insert commas?

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I can already tell what my first feature request is going to be: the ability to click on a snake (or otherwise select one) and determine its number.

Here you go:

http://dooglus.rincevent.net/snakes/

Hover the mouse pointer over a snake's head to see his name and number.

I hope it's OK to make a copy of the snakepit image like this. My page makes it clear that the graphics are owned by Caravel Games.

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Question...

Is there any way to get an indicator on the Snakes! page that tells how long before the next turn?

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Erik was just saying that caravelnet's "time until" function is broken. The turns happen every time it's an even o'clock in London, and odd o'clock in New York, and so on.

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[...] the ability to click on a snake (or otherwise select one) and determine its number

These pages offer the feature of identifying each snake when you point at it with the mouse, in 3 different sizes:

Small, Medium, and Large
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So snakes prefer moving forward, then clockwise and then counter-clockwise. Does that mean that a snake will move forward all the time until it "bumbs" an obstacle??

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Indeed. There's no way to change direction without your way being blocked.
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EDIT: Question:when a snake is positioned like:
, -x-----
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(-:wall, /:snake, ;:Head)

Do you, when you are going to x, need to command BJ or only J?

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EDIT: Question:when a snake is positioned like:
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(-:wall, /:snake, ;:Head)

Do you, when you are going to x, need to command BJ or only J?



That should only be J. The rules say a command is only taken from the queue if you are blocked.

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Actually, both would probably work, since B will make if follow the set order of moves, and it will jump there on its own. The J will also do this. But say the setup was this:

-/ -----
-///////
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This case is where you would use the BJ so your snake would not die.

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I know I am think ahead but what happens if you go off screen to the right? My image just cuts off with out walls does it go to another image?

To be clear: you want to get your snake over to that right side. That will allow you continue on to the second snakepit. The portion of text that silver quoted explains it a little better.

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Actually, both would probably work, since B will make if follow the set order of moves, and it will jump there on its own. The J will also do this. But say the setup was this:
-/ -----
-///////
--x ----
-///////
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-=wall,/=snake,;=snake head

This case is where you would use the BJ so your snake would not die.

Just to check that I've understood, you could also use JJ or wait until the snake is at 'x' and then just use J. Right?
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I'm releasing the tiles used for Snakes! into the public domain. This will help Chris and others use them if they want. Tiles are attached in photoshop format. (You can read it in the Gimp, which is free.) The generated images from the game are released into public domain.

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A question:
Here is a situation:
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WW
Where E - empty square, W - wall, S - snake head, B - box.
Next turn the top snake jumps and it jumps right.And the second snake bumps. I was wondering will the first snake survive (considering it can jump over boxes, and not over snake heads)and will it land on the 1st empty square below the 2nd snake or the second snake will aready have it occupied and on the 2nd empty square ? Help me out of confusion. Thanks.


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Are you sure my moves are going into the snake system? I'm pretty sure that Snake #33 is unresponsive.
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Are you sure my moves are going into the snake system? I'm pretty sure that Snake #33 is unresponsive.


there have been no legal moves to make yet except "bump" (and that only because you've decided to pre-play your jump into the playing field and thus preceded it with enough bumps to put the jump in at the right time)
remember the brown wall is unjumpable.


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So, our current goal is to get to the edge of the screen without dieing? If so, Niccus, lets just ignore each other and get there.
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A question:
Here is a situation:
WW
EW
SW
B
SW
EW
EW
WW
Where E - empty square, W - wall, S - snake head, B - box.
Next turn the top snake jumps and it jumps right.And the second snake bumps. I was wondering will the first snake survive (considering it can jump over boxes, and not over snake heads)and will it land on the 1st empty square below the 2nd snake or the second snake will aready have it occupied and on the 2nd empty square ? Help me out of confusion. Thanks.

Here's how I understand the rules: The top snake moves first, and it wants to jump. It can't jump the wall in front of it, or the snake head to its right, but there's an empty square to its left, so it makes the 1-move jump into that square.

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So, our current goal is to get to the edge of the screen without dieing? If so, Niccus, lets just ignore each other and get there.


I'm pretty sure that this arena is designed so you cannot actually prevent the other snake from leaving, but you can't ignore each other completely since the snakes paths must cross.

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as I write this (1 hour into the 8th turn), we're 9 hours from snakes entering the pit, and another 12 hours before our first in-pit actions are processed, representing the beginning of actual interaction in the same.

so, um, fun?

after the contest, I would love to see a version of this where there's like 5-minute turns. then it couldn't be played world-wide, but you could have several runs a day to make up for that, or run it simultaneously with a 2-hour-turn game.

though I recognize the importance of the contest having a 24-hour lead period for people to prove they have some clue before entering the "big arena", I wouldn't mind if post-contest games had less lead-up before play, either :)




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A question:
Here is a situation:
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EW
WW
Where E - empty square, W - wall, S - snake head, B - box.
Next turn the top snake jumps and it jumps right.And the second snake bumps. I was wondering will the first snake survive (considering it can jump over boxes, and not over snake heads)and will it land on the 1st empty square below the 2nd snake or the second snake will aready have it occupied and on the 2nd empty square ? Help me out of confusion. Thanks.



Assuming the snakes are both facing the left side of the screen, the 1st serpent will end up at the square above it (i.e. a left turn), and the 2nd serpent will end up turning right.

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It is possible for a snake to be killed in the pair area. It requires some specific decisions by the two players involved... It's fairly easy to avoid once you see it, though.
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as I write this (1 hour into the 8th turn), we're 9 hours from snakes entering the pit, and another 12 hours before our first in-pit actions are processed, representing the beginning of actual interaction in the same.

so, um, fun?

after the contest, I would love to see a version of this where there's like 5-minute turns. then it couldn't be played world-wide, but you could have several runs a day to make up for that, or run it simultaneously with a 2-hour-turn game.

though I recognize the importance of the contest having a 24-hour lead period for people to prove they have some clue before entering the "big arena", I wouldn't mind if post-contest games had less lead-up before play, either :)



The problem here is the fact that this is a global game with people playing all over the world. If the game was restricted to one time zone (or several adjacent ones), it'd be easy to have, say, 1-hour moves or even 30-minute moves and downtime at night, so people can get a sense of progress without it being unfair. But on a global scale, doing that will disfavor people elsewhere in the world who will not be able to see the game in its active phases.

Of course, a fast game (5 minute moves or less) would probably be fun, but inappropriate for a contest.

I do think the "pair chambers" are overlong - I'd have liked it if they just contained enough to test whether a person is actively sending commands or not, rather than being something people need to play in for 4 days or so before they leave.

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after the contest, ... then it couldn't be played world-wide, but ...

though I recognize the importance of the contest having a 24-hour lead period ... post-contest games ...



The problem here is the fact that this is a global game with people playing all over the world.


I think I expressed understanding of that and don't generally like being lectured about what I just said. perhaps a moderator should remove these two posts as together they come to naught.


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So all that's visible for now is the pairing chambers, right?

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