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Yep. I thought this was about books, not about writing books...

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(To get back on topic - this is a book both about books and about writing books)

np: Hieronymus - Waiting (Crossways Part 2)

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I really, really love the first two Hyperion books. They have different styles from each other but are complementary and join together to make an amazing and rich reading experience.

I'm a bit more ambivalent about the next two books (Endymion and Rise of Endymion). They're just as well written and rich. On their own, they're great. Unfortunately, the overall setting and story, however, undermine the story of the Hyperion books in a way I didn't like.

I agree with you. Even though I love Simmons as an author, the latter two Hyperion books just didn't mesh well with the first two.

Along those same lines, I have sitting on my shelf "Olympos" and "Illium". I'm leery of starting them but will get to them eventually. Even my best friend, who is a true-blue Simmons fan, hasn't started them yet.
06-20-2006 at 02:42 PM
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I really, really love the first two Hyperion books. They have different styles from each other but are complementary and join together to make an amazing and rich reading experience.

I'm a bit more ambivalent about the next two books (Endymion and Rise of Endymion). They're just as well written and rich. On their own, they're great. Unfortunately, the overall setting and story, however, undermine the story of the Hyperion books in a way I didn't like.

I agree with you. Even though I love Simmons as an author, the latter two Hyperion books just didn't mesh well with the first two.

Along those same lines, I have sitting on my shelf "Olympos" and "Illium". I'm leery of starting them but will get to them eventually. Even my best friend, who is a true-blue Simmons fan, hasn't started them yet.

I have read them, and, well, they were pretty interesting. The first one offers a lot of promise and a lot of unanswered questions. The second delivers on some of that promise, answers some of the questions passably well, and handwaves through the remainder in a way that I didn't find completely unsatisfying. There's a good story there, although it takes quite a while to figure out exactly what's going on.

It's certainly not up to the quality of Hyperion and The Fall of Hyperion, but I'd probably rate it higher than the second pair of books.



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The Indie Developer's Guide to Selling Games
http://books.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=06/06/19/1434223

I have a feeling it may interest some of us.

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I just finished A Short History of Nearly Everything by Bill Bryson (as mentioned in my Good Math Books thread). Simply an incredible look at our world and our universe through the eyes of science and what it knows, doesn't know and thinks it knows.

Before that I read Cell by Stephen King. Fun read, and I'm once again completely current on all of King's published fiction.

Currently reading Zombie Survival Guide by Max Brooks. I've got to be prepared for the upcoming zombie apocalypse.

Some books in my queue:
Call of Cthulhu and Other Weird Stories by H.P. Lovecraft
'Salem's Lot (Illustrated Edition) by Stephen King (will be a re-read)
Calculus For Cats by Kenn Amdahl and Jim Loats, Ph.D. To refresh me on this topic.
Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell by Susanna Clarke. I started this last Christmas and put it down once classes took up too much of my time. I really need to get back to it.

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Jonathan Strange & Mr. Norrell by Susanna Clarke. I started this last Christmas and put it down once classes took up too much of my time. I really need to get back to it.

This was a fine book...a lot of people have called it Harry Potter for grownups, but I don't think that really does the book service. It's well-written and has a very interesting concept of magic.

Plot-wise, it meanders a bit and as such I don't rate it as highly as I might...but I did still enjoy it a lot. Concept: 10, Execution: 8.

Another book I recently read: Crystal Rain, by Tobias Buckell. If you've ever wondered what a war between the Aztecs and the Creoles would look like, well...here you have an idea. Plus aliens and spaceships. Sounds kind of muddled, but what you actually get is a rich backstory and a fairly focused tale. I liked it a good bit. Probably an 8/8 using the above scale which I just now invented.



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06-23-2006 at 03:36 PM
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I'd like to give Robert Rankin a mention, so I will.
Robert Rankin.
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06-28-2006 at 09:28 AM
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Well, maybe this is too commercial for this thread, but I'm reading my first "John Grisham" book - "The Summons", and I'm seriously impressed by the ease of writing. No King exuberance here. Just a great read.

The only thing so far is an odd, potentially confusing, construct on page 117. He uses "he" after a sentence involving 3 people which I hate - rereads are good but only if done so through choice, and not confusion. Also, towards page 126 I could work out the general angle... I think (about half-way through now).

Anyways, great book so far but I guess most people have read some of his work already (I've only started reading "real" books recently - ie not tech docs - as VodkaAndCoke is a lit. student and moved her books in).

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And may I just add that I love reading these books. I generally associate reading with project design, and deadlines. Instead, I've ditched the newspaper in the morning, and read my book instead, losing myself in relaxed enums. Sometimes I wonder if I could have (had things been different) been a writer - scribing, philosphising, pondering. Of course, they weren't, and I'm sure those possibilities are ones I will ponder for the next 40 years.

"As the emerald river hits the banks of the delta the bronze sky lies above - that is true."

That's as far as I've got with my second pennage.

My first is called "A story which can not be written".
The book is blank, but it sold well (considering). The point of the entire book is the separation of the "can" and "not". Without that one blank character, I'd have to have written 300 pages, or explained why I hadn't. The most powerful blank I've ever intended.

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"Wind in the Willows" by Kenneth Graham is one of the greatest books of all time.

Anyone ever read any of the Nero Wolfe mysteries?

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Here's one for the lists: Old Man's War by John Scalzi.

The basic topic is not particularly original, being clearly derived from The Forever War and Starship Troopers. But the writing is good and clean, the story is engaging. and, well, he managed to pretty effectively surprise me at at least one point in the book. Also howlingly funny in some points.

The book does include adult language and topics (which is to say, (not-graphic) sex and (graphic) violence), so if that sort of thing offends you or your legal guardians then you may wish to steer clear.

Me, I'm signing up for his next book.





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Oooh, Lovecraft - good choice! Is At The Mountains of Madness in there? (might be the second omnibus thingy - in fact, it is, I can just see the spine from here.) Love that story. The longer ones are better - his short stories are often rather predictable.

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Oooh, Lovecraft - good choice! Is At The Mountains of Madness in there? (might be the second omnibus thingy - in fact, it is, I can just see the spine from here.) Love that story. The longer ones are better - his short stories are often rather predictable.
Mountains of Madness is in The Thing on the Doorstep and Other Weird Stories (and I'm guessing many other simliar collections), which I also looked at but didn't pick up. I opted with the Cthulhu volume because I've just seen the silent movie, Call of the Cthulhu, that the HP Lovecraft Historical Society put out. If I enjoy this collection I'll move on to the other two "...and Other Weird Stories" that Penguin Classics put out. I'm guessing this would be a more or less complete collection of his work?

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What about Douglas Adams.


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What about Douglas Adams.
He's still dead. But that never stopped him before... :D

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What about Douglas Adams.


I was a big Douglas Adams fan when I read the first three HHGTG books. Nothing he produced after that did anything at all for me. I kept trying, but it was always, at best, an 'eh' experience. (Probably my favorite after the original three was Dirk Gently's Holistic Detective Agency.)

I much prefer Terry Pratchett's style of writing.

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Tscott wrote:If I enjoy this collection I'll move on to the other two "...and Other Weird Stories" that Penguin Classics put out. I'm guessing this would be a more or less complete collection of his work?

I would think so - the 3 volumes I have are published by Voyager and divided up differently so I'm not entirely sure :)

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If you're missing a few Lovecraft stories, you can always get them online (copyright had expired on most, if not all, of them, which is why there are so many different collections).

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If you're missing a few Lovecraft stories, you can always get them online (copyright had expired on most, if not all, of them, which is why there are so many different collections).
But that makes it so much harder to read in the bathtub. ;)

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A few more books I've enjoyed recently:

Glasshouse, by Charles Stross -- A very interesting speculation on the directions that post-singularity culture could take, wrapped around a fun little spy story. His ideas have grated on me in other fora. I didn't much care for Accelerando, but that could be because it wasn't very character-driven. This is character-driven (although the question of what makes a character is a little muddy) and interesting. It does contain language, sexual situations and violence, not to mention criticism of a variety of our society's sacred cows. If this sort of thing bothers you, well...

A Place So Foreign, by Cory Doctorow -- Collection of short stories, ranging from the whimsical (Return to Pleasure Island) to the technically fantastic (0wnz0red). Some stories work better than others, but it's a good collection overall.

The Family Trade and The Hidden Family, by Charles Stross -- Sort of a fantasy concept about alternate realities and people with the ability to move between them, and what they do with that power. There's a third book that I haven't read yet. It's not a bad series, but it's a lot less polished than any of Stross's other work. His attempts to write an American character are hamstrung by constant use of Britishisms that are obscure enough that I had to go look them up. Still, it's fun. I'll probably get around to The Clan Corporate at some point soon.

All for now...

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I recently read Interface by Neal Stephenson (I'm afraid I forget the co-author's name).

Essentially, it's a conspiracy theory novel about the presidential race, and yet it unfolds its conspiracy in a reasonably believable way. There's some contrivances, though nothing that affects the plot if it were excised.

The book's really good - well-paced, intelligent, punchy, surprising and wraps up nicely at the end. Stephenson has a tendency to start his books with a variety of different unrelated threads and bring them together (which stays intact here, to excellent effect) and to end rather weakly, focusing away from the drama the characters have loosed on the world to their own private struggle, which thankfully doesn't carry on here.

I found it very interesting that even up to the climax it was by no means guaranteed what would happen - so many threads were in motion, so many hadn't been paid off, and so many threads in the book had veered the story off in unexpected ways that it was very exciting to find out what exactly happens. The drama of the presidential race worked well as a focus for the tension as well.

All in all, an excellent thriller.

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I recently finished two books that I thought were really good:
The Black Sun by James Twining and
Startide Rising by David Brin.

The former is a kind-of mystery novel in much the same way as Dan Brown's books are kind-of mysteries. I found this vary hard to put down. I can't say much about the plot without giving it away - but apparently the basic premise is something that actually happened during World War II.

The latter is a Sci-Fi novel which has an Earth spaceship discover something that everyone else in the Galaxy wants. The Earthern ship has landed on a water planet in order to be repaired. The crew must finish the repairs and then escape.

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Interface by Neal Stephenson was fairly enjoyable. As Matt noted, standard Stephenson: interesting ideas, good setup, weak ending. He also wrote a second book as Stephen Budry (which is how this one was originall published) called Cobweb. Much, much weaker.

Startide Rising is a great book, possibly the best one Brin has ever written. His other Uplift books are worth reading: Sundiver was the first and it was good, not great (IMO). The Uplift War was really quite good -- it and Startide Rising flip-flop in the top spot for me (of Brin's work). The second Uplift trilogy (Brightness Reef, Infinity's Shore, Heaven's Reach) I never actually finished, but it doesn't really pack the same punch.

(And don't get me started on Earth -- not an Uplift book, and barely worth reading. I recommend reading John Brunner's Stand on Zanzibar twice instead.)

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