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I finally bit the bullet and started rereading Glen Cook's Black Company books. I had read them all back before he published the first Glittering Stone volume, and when that came out I tried to read it but just lost my momentum -- the events in the preceding book had been too significant and too long ago that I ended up being totally lost.

Time passed, and Cook published the last of his books about six years ago, and I've had most of them sitting on my shelves since then...so it was time to deal with them.

There are, in all, ten books.


The first Black Company trilogy:
The Black Company
Shadows Linger
The White Rose

A related book:
The Silver Spike (takes place at the same time as Shadow Games

The Books of the South:
Shadow Games
Dreams of Steel

and the Glittering Stone books:
Bleak Seasons
She is the Darkness
Water Sleeps
Soldiers Live


Supposedly, Glittering Stone was supposed to be the last book in the Books of the South, but apparently the story got away from him.

In any case, I'm a big fan of the series and would happily recommend it to anyone who enjoys fantasy reading. There are swords, there is sorcery, there are a variety of ancient and unpleasant evils.

The Black Company is a mercenary army with a pretty grim reputation. They work for money and don't concern themselves overmuch with questions of right and wrong. They end up working for some pretty unsavory characters.

And for all that, the characters are sympathetic and interesting.

The books are definitely grim, with some adult content, by which I mean language and violence and minor sexual references (the sexual content is nothing that would garner even a PG-13 rating). But if you like the genre, and you like a little genre-bending, well, good stuff.

Anyone else reading anything good?

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Oooh! Sounds good!

What have I read? Lets see...

I used to recommend The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan to everyone, but once I realized that every book was exactly the same I hated them.

I can recommend all the obvious ones! Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Series of Unfortunate Events, Shakespeare, Animal Farm, etc.

The only book I read religously that no one would know is "The Secrets of Droon" by Tony Abbott. It's a kids series, ages 7-12 or so. But I still communicate with the author, so I read it.

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Never got around to reading Cook's Black Company, but I'm a big fan of his Garrett P.I. series. Not sure how many there are, they're sitting on my couch waiting to be reread but I'm too lazy to get up and check.

As for Jordan, when and if he finishes Wheel of Time I'll probably try slogging through it. I gave up trying to keep current around about book 5 or 6.

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I used to recommend The Wheel of Time by Robert Jordan to everyone, but once I realized that every book was exactly the same I hated them.

I'm in mostly the same boat. Stopped at Book...8, I think. May finish it up at some point. Jordan has been replaced in my heart by George R. R. Martin and his Song of Ice and Fire series. Which, by the way, he'd better finish up soon because if he follows in Jordan's footsteps I'll be really disappointed.

I can recommend all the obvious ones! Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Series of Unfortunate Events, Shakespeare, Animal Farm, etc.

Good stuff. I went to college with the author of the Unfortunate Events books. Pretty fun.

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Never got around to reading Cook's Black Company, but I'm a big fan of his Garrett P.I. series. Not sure how many there are, they're sitting on my couch waiting to be reread but I'm too lazy to get up and check.

Up to eleven now...haven't read the latest one (Whispering Nickel Idols) yet.

Cook has a new...series? Well, a new book out now, anyway. Haven't read that yet either...but I'm sure I will.



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At the moment I read Pratchetts trilogy "Truckers", "Diggers" and "Wings", but the german translation.

I read everything. You can say I'm a book-eater.

The book I always read, at least once a year, is "Lord of the Rings", but only in gerrman what is somtimes hard enough.
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Up to eleven now...haven't read the latest one (Whispering Nickel Idols) yet.
Haven't read it yet either. It's been long enough since I've read any of the books I'm going to start back with Sweet Silver Blues and read all the way through before I read Whispering Nickel Idols.
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Anything by Dan Simmons. Master of many genres and forms. The man is incredible. And very funny in person, too; get to a book signing of his if you can.

Anything by Harlan Ellison. Even at his crankiest, Harlan can inspire like no other. Short stories are brilliant, essays without equal.

Anything by George R.R. Martin. What a writer! I wish I'd discovered him earlier.

Anything by Robin Hobb. I was slow to discover her writings but now I'm savoring them. If you like GRRM you'll like her crunchy political fantasies.

The "Dragon Prince" books by Melanie Rawn. Same vein as Robin Hobb, but I was disappointed with the second trilogy.

Almost anything by Julian May. Start with "The Many-Colored Land" and then continue with the rest of the series. Her later books aren't as awe-inspiring but the conceptual interplay is wonderful.

"Majipoor" series by Robert Silverberg. Top-flight fantasy by a master at the top of his game (has he ever been anything but?).

Almost any Heinlein YA books, plus "The Moon Is A Harsh Mistress", "Glory Road", and "Starship Troopers". Fun reads that go by quickly. Skip "Stranger in a Strange Land" and his novels afterward, unless you like mindless blathering and old-man-discovers-naughty-things novels.

Anything by Guy Gavriel Kay. He creates worlds like no other, and you truly escape when reading his works. Brilliant stuff.

Anything by Jack Vance. He can use language like no other writer (only Cordwainer Smith can match him) and has a sly sense of humor to boot.

That should get you started, if you haven't read any of these yet.
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Anything by Dan Simmons. Master of many genres and forms. The man is incredible. And very funny in person, too; get to a book signing of his if you can.

I'll give him master of Sci-Fi and Fantasy, but he's been decidedly spotty in other genres. Darwin's Blade was unbelievably awful. But the Hyperion books are hard to beat.

Anything by Harlan Ellison. Even at his crankiest, Harlan can inspire like no other. Short stories are brilliant, essays without equal.

Anything by George R.R. Martin. What a writer! I wish I'd discovered him earlier.

Concur.

Anything by Robin Hobb. I was slow to discover her writings but now I'm savoring them. If you like GRRM you'll like her crunchy political fantasies.

I enjoy her stuff, but it doesn't really seem to rise above 'guilty pleasure' for me. Not bad, but formulaic.

The "Dragon Prince" books by Melanie Rawn. Same vein as Robin Hobb, but I was disappointed with the second trilogy.

Almost anything by Julian May. Start with "The Many-Colored Land" and then continue with the rest of the series. Her later books aren't as awe-inspiring but the conceptual interplay is wonderful.

"Majipoor" series by Robert Silverberg. Top-flight fantasy by a master at the top of his game (has he ever been anything but?).

None of these authors have ever done much for me...although I did like Silverberg's Up the Line.

Anything by Guy Gavriel Kay. He creates worlds like no other, and you truly escape when reading his works. Brilliant stuff.

Anything by Jack Vance. He can use language like no other writer (only Cordwainer Smith can match him) and has a sly sense of humor to boot.

These two are both on my list. Excellent.

Other authors I count among my favorites:

Jeff Noon -- esp. Vurt and Nymphomation
Neal Stephenson
Iain M. Banks
Peter F. Hamilton

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I'm a self-confessed bookworm. Here's some of what I've been reading lately:

- The Da Vinci Code.
It was a well written mystery that I found very hard to put down. I can't understand why everyone takes it so seriously though. There are many things he states as 'facts' that are easily shown as false with a little research. I want to read his first book now.
- Lord of the Rings.
I found the LOR books very slow going. The story was very good but I felt Tolkien could have told it quicker. I don't recommend these books to anyone who gets bored easily.
- Good Omens.
I've read this several times before but I still laugh out loud at parts of it. Highly recommended.
- Katherine Kerr's Books.
I haven't read the final book of the last series yet but the rest of them are amazing. She writes in many time frames yet manages to keep the central thread(s) very easy to follow.

I'll think of more another time :)
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I found the LOR books very slow going. The story was very good but I felt Tolkien could have told it quicker. I don't recommend these books to anyone who gets bored easily.
Yeah, what a load of boring overwrought junk that was. Here's a great improvement over the original books:

Spoilers!
* The Fellowship of the Rings
* The Two Towers
* The Return of the King

(Okay, honestly, I love Tolkien's books and wouldn't change a thing about them.)

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I recently began re-reading one of my favorite books of all time.

Flatland: A romance of many dimensions
by Edwin A. Abbott, a Square

"Fie, fie how franticly I square my talk!"


This is perhaps one of the most interesting books I've ever read. It is very short, a quick read, thought provoking, and just plain neat. Also, it is online for free because it was written in 1884, and the copyright has expired. Read it here.

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Anything by Dan Simmons. Master of many genres and forms. The man is incredible. And very funny in person, too; get to a book signing of his if you can.
I've not read him yet, but I keep meaning to. Working on Elizabeth Haydon and Kate Elliott right now, which will keep me busy for a while at my current reading rate.
Anything by George R.R. Martin. What a writer! I wish I'd discovered him earlier.
Very much agreed!
Anything by Robin Hobb. I was slow to discover her writings but now I'm savoring them. If you like GRRM you'll like her crunchy political fantasies.
Lemme guess, you started reading her based on a comment that GRRM made on his home page? ;) Yeah, me too. Her two Fitz trilogies are very excellent; I didn't like the Ships one as much, mostly from the prose, not the plotlines. I liked her newest one better than some of the reviews I've seen, though.
The "Dragon Prince" books by Melanie Rawn. Same vein as Robin Hobb, but I was disappointed with the second trilogy.
I liked both trilogies decently enough. Have you started her Exiles trilogy? The first two books came out well enough, but the third one is something like 10 years in the making by now. Hopefully she will eventually finish it.
"Majipoor" series by Robert Silverberg. Top-flight fantasy by a master at the top of his game (has he ever been anything but?).
I never really enjoyed Silverberg much. Much better than the Thomas Covenant guy, but that's not saying much. (Although to be fair the Thomas Covenant guy has a two-book series about mirrors that is pretty good.)

Since you seem to like female fantasy authors, I would defintely suggest J.V. Jones. I haven't read anything by her that I didn't like. Unfortunately her latest trilogy is going the way of Melanie Rawn, although I think the final book should be published in the UK this year, and in the US next year.

Other favorites of mine include Tad Williams, Alan Dean Foster, Neil Gaiman, and Margaret Weis & Tracy Hickman. For the latter pair, feel free to ignore the Dragonlance series if you want (the first trilogy is obviously their training wheels, but I still get choked up when main characters die; the later stuff by them specifically is much better), but definitely check out the 7-book Death Gate Cycle. It's their best work by far, in my opinion...a truly epic fantasy world whose scope I can only compare to some of Philip Jose Farmer's ideas (although written better in my opinion, even though I did mostly enjoy the Riverworld series until the end).

Game on,

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And there I thought only I was reading books... :lol

Well, the last few things that I've read would be "Going Postal" by Terry Pratchett, issue #2338 of Perry Rhodan (which I've read all except for an issue here or there), the first volumes of "Hyper Police" and "Read Or Die", volume 4 of "Gunslinger Girl", volume 7 of "Battle Angel Alita: Last Order", all volumes of "Planetes" and a lot of other stuff...

Oh yeah, my favourite authors would probably be Terry Pratchett and Greg Bear.

np: Underworld - I'm a Big Sister, and I'm a Girl, and I'm a Princess, and this is my Horse (RiverRun Project)

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I tried reading George R. R. Martin, on Onei's recommendation, but found it very hard to read. I think I ground to a halt about a hundred pages in.

I'm also kind of sick of dragons. Why dragons? Because you felt like it, fantasy author?

Let's see, I've read some Neal Stevenson lately. He loves his strange subgroups, but his historical cyberpunk is unique and great. I read Cryptonomicon quite recently, and while it takes a while to get a handle on the story once it gets going it's really good.

I constantly recommend Ian Irvine, an Australian author who splits his time between environmental disaster thrillers and meticulously constructed fantasy. By that, I don't mean a detailed backstory - I mean that each character has a reason and a purpose for being there and everything they do is believable and feels real. His first series, The View From The Mirror is a great Darwinian fantasy; his second, The Well of Echoes, is even better, but unfortunately isn't self-contained.

Isobelle Carmody is a guilty pleasure; mostly because he books break all the rules for a good fantasy (avoid prophecy, make sure your heroes have a reason for being the heroes, don't make your characters act stupid and not share information to draw out the plot, that sort of thing) and it infuriatingly tries to inject half-baked philosophies comparing this fantasy world to the real world and finding ours wanting (duh! it's a fantasy world, of course you're not going to put the things in from the real world you don't like), but despite its flaws I really like it. The characterisation is really good, and improves as the books go on (not least because it takes her five years to get around to writing them, the third and final book is coming out sometime next year, when the first was written in 1994) and the cuts to Earth and the echoes left behind by the main characters are probably more interesting than the thrust of the action. Also, there is a totally charming secret agent.

Terry Pratchett's young adult books are far more entertaining than his adult novels, which have sadly let various real-world references, the same three plots and Commander Vimes, who got quite samey around his third appearance and is now well into his tenth, dominate them. The Tiffany Aching series and the standalone <i>Amazing Maurice</i>are all excellent, offcolour looks at society. Even though the Tiffany Aching books are partly about Granny Weatherwax, who is still kind of predictable in her badassery, he's managed to get away with it simply because Granny is sick of being such a badass.

I intend to read some non-fantasy soon, honest.

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Much better than the Thomas Covenant guy, but that's not saying much. (Although to be fair the Thomas Covenant guy has a two-book series about mirrors that is pretty good.)

I can still remember where I stopped on Thomas Covenant: page 70, right where I realised the author was asking me to sympathise with a rapist.

He also wrote a space opera based on the Ring Cycle, which was good stuff. By that point he'd worked out how to play the rape card, although honestly I still think it's a card that doesn't need to be in the game.

But Mordant's Need was fun stuff.

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I really like Dragons in our Midst

Fun great series.
Try it out!

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Much better than the Thomas Covenant guy, but that's not saying much. (Although to be fair the Thomas Covenant guy has a two-book series about mirrors that is pretty good.)

I can still remember where I stopped on Thomas Covenant: page 70, right where I realised the author was asking me to sympathise with a rapist.

I actually read through all six books of the Thomas Covenenant series...even the interminable fifth one. I didn't much like Covenant himself, but I do find books with deeply flawed protagonists interesting. The question becomes 'How much bad stuff can a main character do and still have you care what happens?' For Covenant, it was about four books. Sadly, there were six.

Now I think on't, here are a couple of other excellent books:

Perdido Street Station
, by China Mieville
Philip K. Dick is Dead, Alas, by Michael Bishop
The Iron Dragon's Daughter, by Michael Swanwick


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Perdido Street Station, by China Mieville

The two sequels for this are also great, though they get to be a bit much - I'd recommend against reading them in a row (they are only loosely related in plot, they mostly share a setting).

If you like dark, grittier fantasy, I'd strongly recommend City of Saints and Madmen by Jeff Vandermeer - it's not a traditional novel in form but it's both brilliant and very disturbing.

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Walter Moers' Zamonia novels. Particularly The 13 1/2 lives of Captain Bluebear, set on the lost continent of Zamonia where bears come in all colours, pirate attacks are rarely noticed because the pirates are so small, last-minute rescues are an evolutionary niche, tornadoes run to a timetable, quicksand is intelligent and telepathic, the desert caramelizes on really hot days, knowledge is infectious, a whole species of dinosaurs has dedicated itself to poetry ... pretty unique stuff, really. The other parts so far, Rumo and The City of dreaming books are also recommended -- they're set mostly in the surprisingly extensive cave systems underneath Zamonia, and particularly Rumo is quite a bit bloodier and more violent.
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Perdido Street Station, by China Mieville

The two sequels for this are also great, though they get to be a bit much - I'd recommend against reading them in a row (they are only loosely related in plot, they mostly share a setting).

The Scar was brilliant, possibly even better than the first book. I was a little less enthralled by Iron Council, though. A bit too much political message for my taste.

If you like dark, grittier fantasy, I'd strongly recommend City of Saints and Madmen by Jeff Vandermeer - it's not a traditional novel in form but it's both brilliant and very disturbing.

This was very interesting -- certainly not a standard read. I need to grab some more Vandermeer and see if he's ever written a traditional book. The only experience I have with him are this one and The Thackery T. Lambshead Pocket Guide to Eccentric & Discredited Diseases, which is brilliant...but definitely not mainstream.

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I'm also kind of sick of dragons. Why dragons? Because you felt like it, fantasy author?
Heh.

Seems like you're in good company... :D

np: Underworld - Rez (Underworld 1992-2002 (Disc 1))

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Perdido Street Station, by China Mieville

The two sequels for this are also great, though they get to be a bit much - I'd recommend against reading them in a row (they are only loosely related in plot, they mostly share a setting).

The Scar was brilliant, possibly even better than the first book. I was a little less enthralled by Iron Council, though. A bit too much political message for my taste.

Yeah, Iron Council was a bit too heavy at points. Though it seems that by the end it (deliberately) undermines most of its own message.

If you like dark, grittier fantasy, I'd strongly recommend City of Saints and Madmen by Jeff Vandermeer - it's not a traditional novel in form but it's both brilliant and very disturbing.

This was very interesting -- certainly not a standard read. I need to grab some more Vandermeer and see if he's ever written a traditional book. The only experience I have with him are this one and The Thackery T. Lambshead Pocket Guide to Eccentric & Discredited Diseases, which is brilliant...but definitely not mainstream.

I also have his book Veniss Underground which is a traditional novel - at least in its structure. The thing is that City of Saints and Madmen is brilliant because while each of the stories on its own can be confusing and obscure, together they form a multi-layered view of the city, its history, and its people. Veniss Underground reads as if you took one of those stories and put it in isolation; not nearly as interesting.

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I love William Gibson, author of Neuromancer and Idoru. Great sci-fi cyberpunk.

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Other authors I count among my favorites:

Jeff Noon -- esp. Vurt and Nymphomation
Neal Stephenson
Iain M. Banks
Peter F. Hamilton

Josh

I tend to enjoy "mainstream" hard sf by folks like Brin, Bear, Niven, et al. Hamilton I tried to get into Hamilton's Neutronium Alchemist series, but by the middle of book 2 I just didn't care as I didn't buy into the main plot thread, and nothing was happening with the characters. Needless to say I'm not looking to dive into his recent fantasy debut either.

Stephenson is a hit or miss. I've read a bunch of his other stuff and enjoyed Cryptonomicon -- up until the last 50 pages, when he realized he'd written himself into a hole and had to wrap up the book quickly. I'm not going to start the Baroque Cycle as the topic just doesn't interest me, no matter how charmingly Byzantine it is. (Yikes.)

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I liked both trilogies decently enough. Have you started her Exiles trilogy? The first two books came out well enough, but the third one is something like 10 years in the making by now. Hopefully she will eventually finish it.

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I never really enjoyed Silverberg much. Much better than the Thomas Covenant guy, but that's not saying much. (Although to be fair the Thomas Covenant guy has a two-book series about mirrors that is pretty good.)

Silverberg's "Book of Skulls" was pretty cool, more as a thematic exploration than brilliant plotline. He is an acquired taste. As for Donaldson, I've enjoyed his shorter fiction far more than his longer stuff. I read the first six Covenant books, and while the first three were somewhat entertaining, the "I refuse to believe" theme got really, really old by the end of book 3 and I loathed the rest of the series. The "Mirror" series did nothing for me, and "The Journey Into Mediocrity" series I never started. He also has some detective stories which are okay but nothing spectacular. He should stick to shorter works.

Since you seem to like female fantasy authors, I would defintely suggest J.V. Jones. I haven't read anything by her that I didn't like. Unfortunately her latest trilogy is going the way of Melanie Rawn, although I think the final book should be published in the UK this year, and in the US next year.

Ah yes, forgot about her. Her first book got noticeably better as she wrote, and her series are quite enjoyable. I'm waiting for the third book in her trilogy before diving in to all of them.

If you don't mind going out of the sf / fantasy realm for adventure, try David Ball's "Empire of Sand" or Steven Pressfield's "Gates of Fire". Historical fiction that reads like fantasy adventure. Another but more obscure find is Louis L'Amour's "The Walking Drum." It's not a Western but a 12th Century adventure tale for boys told in high swashbuckling style. Sadly, L'Amour was going to write another volume but died before he could start it. What a loss.

My "guilty pleasure" reading is space opera. I just finished Mike Resnick's "Starship: Mutiny" that is a fast, fun read. The main character is noteworthy for always being right, which makes things a bit dull, but the plot has plenty of fun twists to it and is great reading when you go to bed and want something light to snack on before falling asleep.
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Stephenson is a hit or miss. I've read a bunch of his other stuff and enjoyed Cryptonomicon -- up until the last 50 pages, when he realized he'd written himself into a hole and had to wrap up the book quickly. I'm not going to start the Baroque Cycle as the topic just doesn't interest me, no matter how charmingly Byzantine it is. (Yikes.)
Yes, he does that a lot. I still like Snow Crash and The Diamond Age, though - but I still haven't had time to read Cryptonimicon, even though it gathers dust in my bookshelf...

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I have to say that The Baroque Cycle is probably Stephenson's most tightly-plotted book, for all its length. Some of its parts (esp. those involving Jack's adventures) are a bit rambling and appear directionless, but - more than any other of his books so far - it really all ties together in the end for a single plot from beginning to end. Of course, it's all full of totally random coincidences and the "Forrest Gump" syndrome of the main characters (both good and bad) seemingly randomly becoming involved in all the important events in the world, but that's clearly a deliberate style, not poor plotting, so I found it relatively easy to accept it.

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Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman.

'Nuff said. :D
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Terry Pratchett and Neil Gaiman.
Would that be "Terry Pratchett/Neil Gaiman" as in "Good Omens" or just the regular "1) Terry Pratchett 2) Neil Gaiman"? ;)

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In my opinion, both (or all 3).

I've never actually seen any version of The Omen but from reading Good Omens, and figuring out what was it was satirizing, I think I have a pretty good idea of how the movies go. The only thing I'm not sure about is the ending, since I think that Good Omens really went its own way after a while. I'll have to see the original one of these days.

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