Syntax
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Good point, but then again, since BT was released, there have been 4 or 5 simpler holds released, and yet even more fixed.

I personally struggle with the concept of "caravel.net costs money so should be as I expect it to be". It costs less, per year, than I spend getting to work and I spend ten times as much on a Friday night out. I'd be perfectly happy with it even if it was exclusively for the right to participate in the high scores battles.

To be honest, if caravel.net cost 100$ a month then maybe, just maybe, I'd feel I had the right to complain. As it stands, it doesn't, and I don't.

KevG
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eytanz wrote:
I'm getting a bit annoyed by this, to be honest. Everyone involved with SmS hold selection has already said that we recognize that the past holds were overall too difficult and that future ones, while not necessarily easy, won't be as tough.

There's been ample space spent on not making SS holds overly difficult on the whole. I haven't seen any official word on being careful not going too far overboard the other direction. I have, however, seen several people making points to the effect of "SS holds should be for everyone" or "think about what new users will think". That was why I wanted to see the point addressed. It may have been minor, but it does seem to be valid.

I just don't see why people seem to be beating a dead horse and/or implying that the Caravelnet team is lying about their intentions.

I can't speak for anyone else, but I added a disclaimer to my previous post to make it clear I was not addressing my comments towards the Caravel team.

Banjooie wrote:
Because we have some crazy person who out of nowhere is like SMS SHOULD NEVER BE EASY YOU FOOLS, and then he goes and kicks puppies. Possibly while stealing candy from baby kittens, before carefully placing them high in trees and then stealing money from old ladies and keeping them from crossing the street, even with a boy scout escort.

That @!&*!%$. Let's get 'im!!!

KevG
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kzc wrote:

KevG wrote:

kzc wrote:
I don't see any reason why expectation should trump preference

1. Basic business ethics.

1) is true enough.

Once you admit something is unethical you're supposed to stop arguing in favor of it. It's pretty clear at this point you're just arguing for the sake of arguing.

Note to Syntax: The relatively mundane observation that Caravel should take into account customer expectation (which Erik alludes to in practically every other illumination) does not even remotely translate into "caravel.net costs money so should be as I expect it to be"

But you're getting somewhat afield from the original point I objected to, which was "easy holds don't really have a place as Smitemaster Selections either."

Which should be yet another clue that you're over-reacting to an out of context statement.

My only point is that, while it's clear that some people will object to easy holds being included as SmSs, we also know that some people will welcome them, and some don't mind much either way - while it's probable the first group is the largest of the three, I'm not sure it's larger than the other two combined. I don't have much objection to "SmSs just generally be of moderate difficulty" (in fact, I'd agree with it), but only to "easy holds have no place as SmSs".

Since this is your only point, it's a shame you didn't make it in your previous posts. You would have given me a chance to explain myself. I assumed that in the context of my entire post combined with Erik's post that it would be clear that I wasn't saying no SmS hold should ever be easy but saying that "easy and accesible to everyone" shouldn't be the goal any more than "difficult and inaccessible to most" should be. Unfortunately I was wrong.