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What's if a monster can only be harmed from behind. It would be invulerable, except it attacks other monsters, like roaches.
Could be interesting!

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Behind how? How big is it? A monster that attacks other monsters (especially roaches or headcrabs) is okay in my book, but you need to give us more information. It'd be a hassle to work out where the 'behind' is on a 1x1 creature, so perhaps something bigger...?

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no, not bigger! Think of goblins a goblin can look into eight directions. The "behind" would be the exact opposite. It can attack other monsters if it runs directly into them.

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Goblins don't look in 8 directions. The game simply updates to picture depending on which way it last moved.

It's generally a good idea to think of how easy it would be to add to DROD. I agree it would be a cool monster, but it may be too difficult to add.

The problem is monsters are killed (except for snakes) if they are in the same square as Beethro's sword. I don't know how the code is set up for this (I hope it's a routine owned by the monster, but probably not) but it's probably a trivial thing to check if it's facing a particular way. The problem comes when we ask if Beethro is directly behind it - you'll notice that roaches won't move orthoganally (not diagonally) if they aren't in the same row or column as Beethro. They know where Beethro is, but not which way he's facing.

An alternative: The Behemoth will go for the nearest creature (it won't attack roach queens or snakes) and kill it, irrespective of whether it's Beethro or a monster. It will change its mind if a creature is nearer to it than its original target and go for it instead. If given a choice, it will go for the same kind of monster it ate last time, in the direction with the most creatures.

It stays in place on the turn it decides which monster to eat, or when it changes its mind.

Behemoths cannot eat other Behemoths, but they can try.

It cannot be killed when its target is Beethro. Therefore, to kill it, Beethro must approach it when it is one or two squares away from a monster it is intending to eat.

This is fairly similar to what you had in mind, but it's easier to implement (I hope). What does everyone else think? I'd prefer the first one, simply because we don't have enough monsters that make use of directions.

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Not a bad idea.
Sounds good.

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But, what's about this:

If the sword of beethro is over the behemoth, the monster is only killed, if beethro stands on the field, the creature stad the round before. Then he would actually stab it from behind.

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Hmm...could you please explain that last response there noman? It was kind of confusing.

I do like that explanation, Matt. Although, I would have a Behemoth able to eat another Behemoth, or perhaps their substance is Play-Doh like, so they combine into one monster when they try to occupy the same space. That would make more puzzle opportunities, and be a bit easier overall on the player, though still much of a challenge.

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well: e.g. a behemoth stands on field "A" and moves south, then it looks south. After the move it stands on field B. If beethro goes to field A he actually stands behind the behemoth and can stab him with the sword. If the behemoth can't be reached with the sword it would make it's way to field C. Now beethro must stand on field B to be behind the Behemoth. The behemoth always attacks the closest enemy(roaches and beethro). But the roaches do not attack the behemoth.

i hope i could explain it now better.

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Hmm... I don't think I like the "must stab in back" thing...for much of the same reasons as (Matt's?) It's too specific. Maybe something better would be..."it wears armor in the front, so the sword can not penetrate. However, an attack from the side or back will kill it."

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that would be an option.

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