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jbluestein
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Following up here:

When I finally beat this room, I hit the third checkpoint with a move count of 522. So Rabscuttle's apparently effortless guess was pretty much right on the money. With that move count, I was able to make it to the mud with about 5 moves to spare.

And it was a Good Thing.

So...bonus points for Rabscuttle, in a thank you sort of way.

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04-06-2006 at 08:15 PM
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I'm glad there's a demo. After concentrating on getting to the mud mother with time to spare I totally forgot the little muds trapped at the bottom. I only wish there was a way to set it up so I don't even have to do it again, just have the demo run through the levle for me.

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04-18-2006 at 12:48 AM
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Well, I have made it to the X on the westward hall but it appears, from a demo that was posted here, that I am 3 cycles too long :weep

This room apparently take considerable time to solve even using the demo. If 24 1s1w is this hard how hard can 25th level be???

Maybe I don't even want to see it :-O

I am curious as to how so many delvers has so many points. Is it due to the speed with which y'll solve holds & levels? Or are some point a carry over from other games?

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05-06-2006 at 12:42 AM
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Points...do you mean the rank points, or the high score points? Rank points are just gotten through good posts on the forum from your fellow forum-goers. High score points are gotten from playing any hold in the Holds forum. Remember I sent you that PM about how to download other holds? All of them let you get high scores and rack up those points.

Level 25 in JtRH is actually considered to be easier than level 24 by pretty much everyone, I think. There are a few rooms that are really hard, but not as many as on level 24, and they all have hints for them.

Don't worry, if you ask nicely enough you could get demos for every room and you will be able to solve the game, we promise! ;)

Game on,

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05-06-2006 at 04:26 AM
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this is by far the most difficult hold yet. even with a demo, and running it over and over again, there are so many places to make a single error that means to start over again. thank goodness for the X at (29,15)! without it I am sure I would never, ever make it. it is discouraging to make a mistake with you are so close, i.e. on the top row. I guess the only way to do it is to take one step at a time and see what happens. if that step is wrong at least you can back up one move and correct it (hopefully). :thumbsdown
05-07-2006 at 05:16 PM
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Hmm... Maybe you could ask one of the top 8 guys to post a demo. I seriously belive that Rabscuttle has 200 moves to spare. That would leave room for more mistakes.
05-07-2006 at 05:33 PM
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How about this one. It's ranked 52 currently, so no excellent highscoring off of this one.
05-07-2006 at 05:42 PM
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I will look at the 2nd demo on this hold but I have taken the 1st one and, after reaching the X at (29,15) and marking a course how the demo proceeded I still have problems ... there are just too many positions of the sword and the square to be on. I did manage twice I believe to reach the upper rows but made a stupid mistake and I have never, after 100s of reruns, been able to get back there. It seems when I get the the rectangle on the left the mud grows to the right end in the 2nd to top row and I know I can't get past it ... TOTALLY FRUSTRATING!
05-07-2006 at 08:43 PM
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As usually, I miss an important step some place within the first 20 moves and crash & burn shortly there after. The demo is nice, both of them, as they do show that the room can be solved. However, I can't seem to stop my play, go to a demo, run it through to the point I am at and then remember how to proceed from there for the next 10 moves. I suppose one way would be to get to a constant point, play the demo to that point and carefully watch the next 5 moves, then return and do those 5 moves. then simply repeat the above for every 5 moves. Shouldn't take me more than 12 hours then to get through the room. I guess I have reached my "Peter Principal Point", e.g. my abilities have run out.

to those who don't know the Peter Principal it is when an executive reaches that point in the corportation where he is totally incompendent and can no longer advance!

So far today I have spent about 8 hours just trying to get from (29,15) up to the top row without the mud filling in the 2nd row. It just takes too long to review the demo from the start to the point where I fail. :weep
05-07-2006 at 09:12 PM
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You can use the left and right cursor keys to advance/rewind a demo while you're watching it -- just hold down the right cursor key to rip through one to where you want quickly.

A nice side effect is that once you've done that, the demo will be paused. If you get stuck trying to remember things, just grab a bit of paper and write down the next 20-30 moves while you step through them, then quit the demo and make those moves. You'll end up with a bit of paper that has a lot of '444448344834483QW' on it, but at least you know what it means. :D

It'll still take you a while, but not 8 hours.

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05-07-2006 at 11:18 PM
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add another 2 hours to my extremely poor advance ... still can't make it to the left hand square in time to rid it so the mud doesn't grow in the left hand 2nd row.... well .... maybe in another week or so :blush :weep

After making extensive route maps using printed screen snap shoots I was able to defeat this room today. :thumbsup

However, what in the world is the secret room to the west? There must be a trick to opening the NW yellow door but you certainly don't wipe out the messenger!

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wiseoldman wrote:
add another 2 hours to my extremely poor advance ... still can't make it to the left hand square in time to rid it so the mud doesn't grow in the left hand 2nd row.... well .... maybe in another week or so :blush :weep
I really admire your tenacity, wiseoldman. You're so close to the end of the game now, and I'd feel bad if you're feeling frustrated more than having fun with rooms like this. I don't know what I can do to provide help, but know I'm giving you 100% moral support. Wishing you the best in finishing this challenging level. :thumbsup

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05-08-2006 at 10:07 PM
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wiseoldman wrote:
However, what in the world is the secret room to the west? There must be a trick to opening the NW yellow door but you certainly don't wipe out the messenger!
There's no way to get through there, this is just a story room. There's nothing beyond that door.

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05-08-2006 at 10:22 PM
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Has anyone else noticed that the tar over the trapdoors spells
"You I pity"?

Not only did the architect make this a taxing room, he felt the need to rub it in!

God, I love this game!

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09-28-2006 at 04:43 AM
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I read it as "It's you!"

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If I squint a bit, I can also see "You pits". However, that doesn't resonate as surely in my soul as my first interpretation, so I'll be sticking with that one!

And purely because I've never seen this one used, here' a smiley...

:pope

[edit] maybe there's a reason I've never seen it before :-( [-edit]

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Can someone tell me where the secret rooms are on this level? I presumed I had to somehow get through the door on the secret room off this room, but as someone has said I don't - where is the other one?

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pecan wrote:
Can someone tell me where the secret rooms are on this level? I presumed I had to somehow get through the door on the secret room off this room, but as someone has said I don't - where is the other one?
Click here to view the secret text

np: Yoshihiro Ike - No.0724FGARK (Ergo Proxy OST Opus01)

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Thanks.
Of course, the moment I'd posted the question I found the answer myself!
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Do the levels stay this unforgiving? It feels like there's very little buffer here for me. I know exactly WHAT needs to be done. However maintaining the patience and perfection that never messing up twice in a row requires is wearing on me. I sooooo wish I could cheat.
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worm wrote:
Do the levels stay this unforgiving? It feels like there's very little buffer here for me. I know exactly WHAT needs to be done. However maintaining the patience and perfection that never messing up twice in a row requires is wearing on me. I sooooo wish I could cheat.

Well, you're on the next-to-last level. The 25th level has some real doozies on it, but I'd say that this room is one of the hardest required rooms in the game.

So hang in there!

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05-24-2007 at 11:53 AM
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AHHHHHHHHHHHH! i've been stuck on this room for months!this is the first time that a demo wasent enoph to help me solve the room! is there some kind of stop the clock cheat or somethin'?

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At what point are you stuck?

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i simply can't find out how to do it with enough time to spare...i assume that when Bethro says "i don't think this is going to work" it means I'll not have time, and he says it around when i get to the second check point

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icon Re: Journey to Rooted Hold : Twenty-Fourth Level : 1 South, 1 West (0)  
If looking at coppro's demo doesn't help, let's do it the other way around.

Why don't you play the room up to the point where you get stuck. Press F4 to record a demo of what you've done so far, export it, and post it here. There are plenty of nice people here who would be happy to take a look and tell you where you can save moves. :)
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good idea curiousshyrabbit, i wonder why i didn't think of it.
anyway here it is thanx in advance


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I agree with Noah. The mistake he pointed out leads to an even bigger problem:
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Once you get on to the trapdoors, you are also losing time because of the way you clear the tar blobs.
Click here to view the secret text

Hope this helps :)
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thanx alot I'll give that a try

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yup, that worked out for me. tanx a lot, guys (or girls, whatever the case may be)

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