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How well do you know DROD? I got this special collection of images to show you. Can you tell me where they are from?

The Rules

I’ve recorded twelve "hint" videos that will progressively reveal information about three different rooms. Each video shows a single room from one of the official Caravel holds. But the twist is that these are 3D representations of DROD rooms made with The Godkiller, my new game under development. So you won’t see the familiar 38x32 representation from DROD, but rather a reimagining of the original room.

To succeed in the contest, you want to post your guess to the submission topic as soon as you feel confident about your guess. The earlier you post, the better, as you’ll be competing against others based on speed. But you only get one guess for each of the three rooms. If your first guess for a room is wrong, it can’t help you win the contest.

Your guess should include the room number you are guessing for, the name of the hold, the name of the level, and the room coordinates. So for example, you could post in the submission topic:

Room Two is from GatEB, Outer Walls, 1E

The videos will be released at 8 hour intervals beginning October 1st. Yes, it’s likely videos will be released while you are sleeping or busy. I’ve tried to stagger the release times so that everyone has a chance.

The first set of videos will be very difficult to use for making a correct guess. We’ll continue to release new videos for the same three rooms that show more features and make it easier to guess.

Winning

The contest ends when the last hidden message below is revealed. That will be October 6th or 7th depending on your timezone. And then each participant who made guesses will be scored as follows:

* 8 points - Your correct guess for a room is posted earlier than anyone else’s.
* 4 points - Your correct guess for a room is posted within 24 hours of the first correct guess.
* 2 points - Your correct guess for a room is posted before the contest concludes.

Only correct guesses can win you points. Since you can make three guesses (one for each of the rooms), your total score will be the sum of points awarded for all three guesses. That indicates it’s possible to score anywhere from 0 to 24 points.

In the event of a scoring tie, ranking among same-scoring participants will be determined based on forum account creation date, favoring more recent forum members above their seniors.

Thoughts on Strategy

I wrote about five paragraphs here and then realized I was cheating clever players out of some fun. Let me just say a few things that will help you decide your own strategy.

* There are moments where being fast after a hint is revealed can help, but don't give up if you aren't able to guess within minutes of a reveal. Think about the total score.

* It will be very hard to guess a room from the first hint.

* Let's Play videos and Hints and Solutions can be good references.

I hope you enjoy this contest!

-Erik

The Hints

Room One - First Hint


Room Two - First Hint


Room Three - First Hint


Room One - Second Hint


Room Two - Second Hint


Room Three - Second Hint


Room One - Third Hint


Room Two - Third Hint


Room Three - Third Hint


Room One - Fourth Hint


Room Two - Fourth Hint


Room Three - Fourth Hint


Contest end - no guesses accepted after message below is revealed.
Pencils down!

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Wow, I'm excited to make another DROD contest. It's been a while!

I'm also paranoid about botching the hide tags or Youtube links. I think I'm good. But if anyone somehow gets past my precautions, it would be great if you play the contest as intended.

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You mentioned that the rooms will all be from official holds. Does this mean that you're only using rooms from the 5 main holds, or could you have picked some rooms from the Smitemaster Selections?

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That reminds me, has anyone noticed that the "room style" for most of the Godkiller levels Eric has shown on stream looks suspiciously similar to Mosaic Frost?

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IQubic wrote:
You mentioned that the rooms will all be from official holds. Does this mean that you're only using rooms from the 5 main holds, or could you have picked some rooms from the Smitemaster Selections?
Maybe SMSs. Not saying definitely either way.

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averagemoe wrote:
That reminds me, has anyone noticed that the "room style" for most of the Godkiller levels Eric has shown on stream looks suspiciously similar to Mosaic Frost?
Oh, man. I went through a whole process to plan out that style. You mean I coulda just copied a DROD room style?

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By the way, that level you went through a few streams ago that you made vague statements about having plans for reminded me of this.

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averagemoe wrote:
By the way, that level you went through a few streams ago that you made vague statements about having plans for reminded me of this.
Click here to view the secret text
Ah! You gave away one of the rooms. I actually deleted that stream, but clearly, I ought to have been more careful. I will make a replacement level for the third room.

But now I can use that room as an example room to give people an idea of what they're getting into. See if you can guess it without looking at AverageMoe's solution in secrets.

-Erik

Example Room - First Hint


Example Room - Second Hint


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Example Room - Fourth Hint


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Great. Maybe you can put that stream back up now.

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averagemoe wrote:
Maybe you can put that stream back up now.
The stream is back up. ("Three Little Bugs") And I created a new Room Three with recorded videos linked in the original post. All is in order.

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I hope for your sake it's not the GatEB menu background.

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First hint coming in about 2 hours! I'm getting excited.

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It seems you don't have the submission topic set up properly, I was able to see averagemoe's reply.
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Dragon Fogel wrote:
It seems you don't have the submission topic set up properly, I was able to see averagemoe's reply.
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Actually, I couldn't delete the original because it had replies. I kinda don't know how to unmess this up. Thinking about it.

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Okay, I've created a new submission topic, which is here:

http://forum.caravelgames.com/viewtopic.php?TopicID=44772

I am not 100% sure that it won't do the same thing as the previous submission topic though. If someone would post a test message on the new topic at the link above, we can maybe check that it hides messages.

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Does the guess I made still count? I'd hate to be disqualified on a technicality beyond my control.

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I deleted my post from the original submission thread. See if you can delete the whole thing now.

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I made a test post - I thought averagemoe might have made one, but he didn't say so explicitly so I wasn't completely sure.

So this is me saying explicitly that I made a test post so people can confirm they can't see it.
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Dragon Fogel wrote:
I made a test post - I thought averagemoe might have made one, but he didn't say so explicitly so I wasn't completely sure.

So this is me saying explicitly that I made a test post so people can confirm they can't see it.
Okay, thanks! If anyone viewing the topic sees less than 3 posts then I made a working submission topic.

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I just see yours. Appears to be working.

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Does the guess I made still count? I'd hate to be disqualified on a technicality beyond my control.
It counts!

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Oh boy, I wish there was a little more time to guess.

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Oh boy, I wish there was a little more time to guess.
As I write this, there is 20 more hours! See the last "untiltime" tag which marks the contest close.

Good luck!

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I think the contest has now ended but the embedded YouTube video that has been revealed does not appear to be working. Could you have a look Erik :)

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I think the contest has now ended but the embedded YouTube video that has been revealed does not appear to be working. Could you have a look Erik :)
Same issue is occurring for me.

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That was basically a copy-and-paste mistake. But there was no final video - just some text that said "Pencils down!"

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Wow! I forgot how good DROD people are at figuring out things that should be impossible. I was truly surprised at how little people needed to make correct guesses. All but the third room were guessed within minutes after the first hint. Amazing!

In case anyone wants to try post-contest guessing, I'll secret the answers to the three rooms below:
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Here is a log of the correct guesses: (all times in PDT timezone)

Sept 27th
12:02pm Averagemoe guessed Example Room (formerly know as “Room 3”) (0 points)

Oct 1st
~6:30pm Averagemoe guessed Room 1 (8 points)
8:38pm Chaco guessed Room 1 (4 points)
9:56pm Rabscuttle guessed Room 1 (4 points)

Oct 2nd
1:02am Navithmastero guessed Room 1 (4 points)
1:03am Averagemoe guessed Room 2 (8 points)
3:40am Rabscuttle guessed Room 2 (4 points)

Oct 3rd
9:03am Averagemoe guessed Room 3 (8 points)
11:14am IQubic guessed Room 1 (2 points)

Oct 4th
7:34pm Nuntar guessed room 1 and 2 (4 points)

Oct 5th
7:01am Navithmastero guessed room 2 (2 points)
10:23am Illusionist guessed room 1 (2 points)
4:02pm IQubic guessed room 2 (2 points)
5:19pm Chaco guessed room 2 (2 points)
6:37pm Rabscuttle guessed room 3 (2 points)

Oct 6th
1:13am Robin guessed room 1, 2, and 3 (6 points)
6:19am Punf guessed room 1 (2 points)
6:41am Punf guessed room 2 (2 points)
8:22am Rabidchild guessed room 1, 2, and 3 (6 points)

So then let’s tally up a leaderboard:
24 points - Averagemoe
10 points - Rabscuttle
6 points - Navithmastero (2012)
6 points - Rabidchild (2006)
6 points - Chaco (2005)
6 points - Robin (2004)
4 points - Punf (2020)
4 points - IQubic (2015)
4 points - Nuntar (2007)
2 points - Illusionist

Averagemoe dominated with a perfect score of 24. If we play this game again, we should give him a handicap. Like he can only guess rooms using his sense of smell. His early guesses on the first two rooms cut a bunch of players out of getting 4-point guesses, but Rabscuttle was able to claw a couple of those, winning him second place.

Chaco and Navithmastero also managed to make a successful guess within 24 hours of Averagemoe. Robin and Rabidchild were slower to guess, but able to correctly guess Room 3. This put them in a 4-way tie for third place, which went to Navithmastero, the relative newcomer to the forum. (Though I stress “relative”, as Navithmastero has been around for 8 years.)

Room 3 seemed to be the only one to give players trouble. And I think we’re a bit lucky that I accidentally gave away the first Room 3 (renamed to “Example Room”), which was not as difficult as its replacement. I do think the new Room 3 was pitched at the right difficulty for the expert solvers on the forum.

Congratulations to the winners! And if anybody needs help identifying a DROD room, you know who to ask now.

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Averagemoe dominated with a perfect score of 24. If we play this game again, we should give him a handicap. Like he can only guess rooms using his sense of smell.

Hmm... detecting a strong citrus odor. Must be a room with a lot of gel. And some sort of drink, but one that no sane person would want. Might be a decoy potion nearby. And there's definitely a "bottom floor" sort of scent that I'm glad is being mostly overpowered.

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Hi Erik,

Did you intend for this to be an official contest, i.e. is the winner eligible for a prize from the Prize Pile?

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Fun contest, and congratulations to the winners!

Yes, we'll treat this as an official contest, where the winner gets a prize from the Prize Pile. (Congratulations, averagemoe!)

I'll be handing out rank point awards to the top three places in the typical style as well.

1st place - 100 rank points:
24 points - Averagemoe

2nd place - 50 rank points:
10 points - Rabscuttle

3rd place - 25 rank points:
6 points - Navithmastero (2012)
6 points - Rabidchild (2006)
6 points - Chaco (2005)
6 points - Robin (2004)


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