averagemoe
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I'm starting to think there's something a bit wrong with me, always trying to improve on what already exists instead of doing my own stuff. Oh, well. I threw this together, and now you get to have it.

This is the Twenty-Fifth level of KDD, using only the hard-coded 'Neather. However, through liberal use of the select tile feature in the "speech" command, I have given him all the speech cues I know about from the 2.0 version.

Edit: This version of the hold was meant to be put in a separate post, but I had a stupid fumble with the post submission process. The following is what that post would have said.



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There are two types of sheep in the world. Those who jump off a bridge when told to, and those who jump off a bridge when told not to. Don't be either.

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[Last edited by averagemoe at 05-04-2018 01:03 AM]

averagemoe
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I should probably give some credit for the peices I put together to make the 'Neather's portrait.

The 'Neather himself was taken from the wiki, and I think they pulled that from the Webfoot Drod site.

The background is part of a preview screennshot for DROD 3D.

Edit: Added a slightly unreliable achievement for killing him early.

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There are two types of sheep in the world. Those who jump off a bridge when told to, and those who jump off a bridge when told not to. Don't be either.

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[Last edited by averagemoe at 04-20-2018 06:26 AM]

averagemoe
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That's right, I'm still not letting this go, but this time, it's not just for my own delusions of artistic-ness.

From what I understand, community consensus is that a player should never have to go to the restore screen to get themselves unstuck. So I made some additions. These scripted instances of the 'Neather will let you through the rooms that are impossible without him if they're already clean. There's also something that generates a spider in an unreachable part of 1S if he escapes to the north. You should be able to chase him through the loop an indefinite number of times.

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There are two types of sheep in the world. Those who jump off a bridge when told to, and those who jump off a bridge when told not to. Don't be either.

Zaratustra00
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There's a second shot of him on the Architect's Edition ending:

https://youtu.be/GvNuLF2XGyw?t=349

averagemoe
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I know that, but if you try to make it into a portrait, part of the stab wound is in frame. It just didn't seem right to have that visible when he's still in good health.

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There are two types of sheep in the world. Those who jump off a bridge when told to, and those who jump off a bridge when told not to. Don't be either.

averagemoe
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I think I got the challenge working properly now, and even found a place to put a scroll for it.

Also helped the 'Neather with a problem where he would sometimes take a turn to notice that his speech cue is on.

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There are two types of sheep in the world. Those who jump off a bridge when told to, and those who jump off a bridge when told not to. Don't be either.

averagemoe
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New version, rebuilt the tracking system from almost the ground up. Through the magic of _MyScriptF, I can now semi-directly ask if an entity is the 'Neather, rather than going through a list of monsters to check if it isn't.

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There are two types of sheep in the world. Those who jump off a bridge when told to, and those who jump off a bridge when told not to. Don't be either.

Dali
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Concerning the challenge, I could stab the neather in a room:

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I also tried in AE, it also worked, I was surprised by that
It seems it's the only room, right ?

averagemoe
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Dali wrote:
Concerning the challenge, I could stab the neather in a room:

Click here to view the secret text

×Spoiler alert !

Click here to view the secret text

×2W

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I also tried in AE, it also worked, I was surprised by that
It seems it's the only room, right ?

As far as I know, you can also do it in the rooms both directly north and south of that. But just in case there was a method I didn't know about, I set the challenge up to not care where it happens as long as it isn't 1W.

And if you can figure out how, I also made it so that stabbing him with a mimic will trigger the challenge.

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There are two types of sheep in the world. Those who jump off a bridge when told to, and those who jump off a bridge when told not to. Don't be either.

Dali
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I figured out how to do it on both rooms For the south one I struggled a bit, but then I saw the trick