Drizzo
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Finally beat Dugan's after 2ish years, or 3 days... my brain hurts.
Anyway, I'm sure someone here knows exactly where all the hidden rooms in Dugan's dungeon are. I don't have the energy to go into the level editor and find them, but I would certainly be interested in playing them, but haven't figured out how to test a room without walking to it, and haven't figured out how to get into the hidden rooms I've seen. lv1 1w? I guess you probably can't, but I did find one other before my brain completely melted. I wish I hadn't skipped level 5 on my way to win... going back after doing 23-25 tonight was too much, and not having brains on the level made threw me off in my delirious state...


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Yes, once you get used to brains it's disorienting to play a room that doesn't have any. It wouldn't surprise me if everyone here got trapped by that at least once.

Anyway, there are two rooms that are unreachable from normally playing the game. The first is Level 1 1W, which was actually the credits room in Webfoot. Not much to do there, just wander around on the trapdoors and read the scrolls. The other one is Level 14 3N, which is actually a pretty good room. I should get Erik's permission to put it in a hold some time.

To play a room in the editor, get yourself to the room-editing screen, press F5, then click where you want Beethro to start. Right now, you cannot have him start in such a way that his sword would do anything, or anywhere already occupied by anything else.

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JLE
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*BUMP*

Is there anywhere a list of ALL the hidden rooms in King Dugan's Dungeon 2.0, and where to get to them from?

(Note: I just bought "DROD 1 + 2 + 3" from GOG.com, containing King Dugan's Dungeon (1), Journey to Rooted Hold (2) and The City Beneath (3). I played the original long ago when there were only a couple of hidden rooms, and found both. Many more have been added and I've only found half a dozen, after beating the game again.)

It seems that nearly every level has a secret room now - starting as early as level 3, and some of them have 2 - but literally none of the edge walls in any of the "known" rooms seem to be able to crumble... so what's up?

I ask because it looks like I need to get 100% exploration so I can enter what appears to be a technically NON-secret room, south of level 1 Entrance (which I assume was just the stairs from King Dugan's Throne Room)

And yes, I know the door on level 10 in the exit room is the one which leads to Rooted Hold...

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I don't know if there's a list of all of them, but:
1) Once you've conquered the hold normally, the restore screen will show how many unconquered secrets remain on each level to help narrow the search.
2) If you get sick of looking, you can use the N/S/E/W navigation buttons on the H&S search to track them down. Even for rooms without hint threads, the search returns different results for "there's no thread for this room yet" and "there's no room at these coordinates". Once you know where the rooms are, the entrances are generally pretty easy to locate.

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Tuttle wrote:
I don't know if there's a list of all of them, but:
1) Once you've conquered the hold normally, the restore screen will show how many unconquered secrets remain on each level to help narrow the search.
2) If you get sick of looking, you can use the N/S/E/W navigation buttons on the H&S search to track them down. Even for rooms without hint threads, the search returns different results for "there's no thread for this room yet" and "there's no room at these coordinates". Once you know where the rooms are, the entrances are generally pretty easy to locate.

That's what I tried.

But... My copy of the game says there's a secret room on level 3, but using exactly the technique you just posted did NOT reveal a room - at ANY of the possible surrounding points?

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Here's a full list of the rooms that you access secret rooms from:

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JLE
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Well, I finally found - and worked out how to beat - all the secret rooms.

Now I'm in "The End", where you get a selection of the old rooms but in mirror image, and I've got to the Neatherville version (2N 10E) and I can't beat it...

The problem is as follows:

(a) Enter from north.

(b) Tar mother in NE corner. Tons of eyes elsewhere. 2 brains. 1 snake in an (open) room in the SE corner of the level. AND ALSO...

(c) Room in SW corner with locked door, and snake circling inside.

(d) The orb to open the snake's room is within another room on the S wall - unfortunately hitting this orb locks you within your own room, so the snake will never leave its corner because it never has a direct path to you.

(e) If you sit in the southern room with the door closed, and hit the orb to open the door to the other room, while letting the tar mother live... well then you can let the mother get big enough to spawn tar babies into the room and kill the snake, BUT, you then can't get the tar babies out of the room, whether you kill the mother or the brains or not, because the door is locked and the only way to unlock the door leaves the babies with no path to you, so they too will never leave...


And yes, I know there is no good reason to actually beat this version of this room (just kill off anything that stops you reaching the south exit, i.e. the one free snake, most of the eyes and a ton of however many tar babies spawn), but it's... irritating.

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Snake movement rules help here.



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JLE
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thanks, but then how do I make it go NORTH out of the open door? It just turns round when it reaches the end (west) wall and comes back...

(EDIT) And finally it went that way. I have no clue why. One more dead snake, and now KDD is REALLY finished...

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JLE wrote:
thanks, but then how do I make it go NORTH out of the open door? It just turns round when it reaches the end (west) wall and comes back...

(EDIT) And finally it went that way. I have no clue why. One more dead snake, and now KDD is REALLY finished...

There are a couple of snake manipulation tricks that are particularly good to know since they come up again and again. This is particularly true for some of the user made holds. One of those tricks is that moving South (or more generally just out of the same line as the snake) can sometimes be what you need to do to force a snake North.

First, the rules of snake movement:

RULE 1) If you are in the same row or column as the snakes head, it will try to move in that row/column. Usually this means it will move towards you, but you can also use this to make it move away from you.

RULE 2) If you are not in the same row/column, a snake will try to move horizontally towards you (in a turn ending in 0,1, 2, 3, or 4) or vertically towards you (in a turn ending in a 5, 6, 7, 8, or 9).

RULE 3) If a snake is unable to make it's preferred move (either by rule 1 or rule 2), it will move in one of the four cardinal directions with the following preference: It will first try North, then East, then South, then lastly West.

This is a lot to digest at first, but once you understand these rules you have the basis for a few tricks. For instance, you can use these tricks to pretty much always be able to force a snake North or East as far as you like.

For the room in your screenshot, you'll probably want to time things so that the Serpent is below the door on a turn when it will prefer vertical movement for the next two moves. That way when you move N, it will move N with you (you technically don't need vertical preference for this to happen). Next turn you would move S, and the snake would try to move S with you but be blocked by its own tail, forcing it to go to RULE 3 (and thus move N again. There are probably other ways to get it to do this as well, but that would be the first thing I tried. It takes some thinking and planning out at first, but it can be extremely rewarding once you get used to it.

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kieranmillar wrote:
Here's a full list of the rooms that you access secret rooms from:

Click here to view the secret text

×Third Level:
1N1W

Fourth Level:
1N1E

Fifth Level:
3N1W

Sixth Level:
Entrance

Seventh Level:
1S
2N

Eighth Level:
4S2E
5S3E (in 2.0, the rooms south of here are required, in 5.0 they are secret)

Tenth Level:
2N

Eleventh Level:
1N1W

Twelfth Level:
1N
2S2E

Fourteenth Level:
2N

Fifteenth Level:
1N1W
1S4W

Sixteenth Level
1N

Eighteenth level:
1N3E

Nineteenth Level:
1N1E

Twentieth Level:
2N1E

Twenty-First Level:
2S

Twenty-Second Level:
1S

Twenty-Third Level:
1S

Twenty-Fourth Level:
1N1W

Thanks a lot! I have completed KDD now

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Trafalgar wrote:

Thanks a lot! I have completed KDD now

Are you sure?

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robin wrote:

Trafalgar wrote:

Thanks a lot! I have completed KDD now

Are you sure?

Yep - 100%

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Did you get the bit behind that closed yellow door on the 10th level?

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Someone Else wrote:
Did you get the bit behind that closed yellow door on the 10th level?

Specify the room if you don't mind

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