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Black Wizard's StrongHold v0+i (0)

Alrightey, here's my very own hold. Well. The first two levels of it. I'd be happy to hear comments, bugs etc. if someone is willing to play it

It's not overly hard; On the contrary, I feel it's too easy. However I have a poor excuse for that; The level difficulty rises with each level, so here we have only the easiest ones

Not too much hack&slash, I've been trying to concentrate on the puzzle-aspect as I don't love plain smiting. The first level has a couple of easily dispatchable hordes.

Oh yeah, this is probably needless to mention, but all the rooms are solvable (except one but it is not required). Played them myself.

[Edited by Big-J-Q on 01-06-2004 at 04:26 PM GMT: trying to attach the file]

[Edited by Big-J-Q on 01-06-2004 at 04:29 PM GMT: additional info]

01-06-2004 at 04:22 PM

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Re: Black Wizard's StrongHold v0+i (0)

I think you forgot the attachment.

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01-06-2004 at 04:24 PM

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Yeah, I think so too

Odd, I thought I attached it.

01-06-2004 at 04:26 PM

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The first room seems impossible to me.

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01-06-2004 at 04:31 PM

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Nillo wrote:
The first room seems impossible to me.

Are we looking at the same hold? The first room has 6 simple roaches to kill. I can't say I know how to collapse all the trapdoors, but I'm guessing there's another staircase somewhere else.

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01-06-2004 at 04:34 PM

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Re: Black Wizard's StrongHold v0+i (0)

The stairs in the first room is the one you came from. "The only way out is in". It's there only for decoration. The scroll contains some info which can be viewed when you have conquered the hold and should be able to edit it.

01-06-2004 at 04:36 PM

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Big-J-Q wrote:
The stairs in the first room is the one you came from. "The only way out is in". It's there only for decoration. The scroll contains some info which can be viewed when you have conquered the hold and should be able to edit it.

Ah... But at first glance it looked like a bug, and that it was the entrance to level 2. Sorry.

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01-06-2004 at 06:39 PM

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Overall not that hard but its not a beginners hold. Level 2 1S1E was very clever. Took me a few goes to get past it.

01-07-2004 at 02:16 AM

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Scott wrote:
Overall not that hard but its not a beginners hold. Level 2 1S1E was very clever. Took me a few goes to get past it.

It has me stumped. I spent a lifetime straying from the straight and narrow, which is probably why I'm finding this one difficult.

01-07-2004 at 07:58 PM

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Bandit1200:

Click here to view the secret text

Anyway, this is a really neat hold - well tested and a good selection of puzzles of mixed difficulty with nothing too insanely difficult. As Scott says though, I don't think it's really for beginners.

Anyway, I liked 1:1N - made me think a little, but strongly recommend a checkpoint in 1W. Also,

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Rest of level 1 simple, but still good rooms.

Level 2 was a mixture - 1S1E was very clever design and made use of a quirk I'd never seen before, the Entrance was well designed, as was 1W, but 1N1W was a bit dull..

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Anyway, very impressive, looking forward to later levels.

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01-07-2004 at 08:23 PM

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krammer wrote:

Anyway, I liked 1:1N - made me think a little, but strongly recommend a checkpoint in 1W. Also,
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×what is the point of the serpent in that room?

Well, I just think checkpoint in 1W is pointless, since most of the level would be complete once you could reach it OR you would have just entered the room. But yeah, I suppose it could be put there since the intent was to include checkpoint in every room unless it was a "pace through and enjoy the view"-type room.

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×The goblin is very easy to kill, especially as you have to dispatch the brain first - switching their positions would make this far more challenging

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Thanks to all for comments and playing so far

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01-07-2004 at 08:47 PM

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Oh yes, 2:1N1W is one level I just had to fill up, but am thinking of replacing with something more entertaining. Not necessarily anything to do, but just little more beautiful and nice to walk through.

01-07-2004 at 08:52 PM

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Big-J-Q wrote:
Well, I just think checkpoint in 1W is pointless, since most of the level would be complete once you could reach it OR you would have just entered the room. But yeah, I suppose it could be put there since the intent was to include checkpoint in every room unless it was a "pace through and enjoy the view"-type room.

If 1W is the final room with the stairs then a checkpoint should definitely be included. Bad things happen if there aren't checkpoints in stairway rooms, especially if they're empty. Well, it won't break anything, but it makes it more annoying for the player who might need to restore to a specific room, especially if they missed a secret room somewhere.

I'll have to play this hold sometime, but I have some other hold committments I need to fulfill first. I will get to Bavato's soon, Wesley, really I will...I'll work harder, I promise! :whip

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01-07-2004 at 08:55 PM

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Oops sorry, I meant to say 'Room' instead of 'level'.

However, depending on how you play, this could be the last real room. Anyway, already added checkpoint to that, you'll see it once I get at least part of level 3 complete, haven't had time for that in the last few days.

01-07-2004 at 09:01 PM

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Oneiromancer wrote:
I'll have to play this hold sometime, but I have some other hold committments I need to fulfill first. I will get to Bavato's soon, Wesley, really I will...I'll work harder, I promise!

Game on,

No problem.

I haven't played that many either, although some I haven't tested due to the lack of testing ease (See... I'm adopting the "Anyone Edit" strategy). I haven't even completed Treasure Hunt yet - that connected room thing on L2 has me stuck (I've just got to find some time to do it).

Don't feel too obligated to playtest my hold. I'm quite patient about it, so I won't mind huge gaps in time between release and playtest.

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agaricus5 wrote:
I haven't even completed Treasure Hunt yet - that connected room thing on L2 has me stuck (I've just got to find some time to do it).

I know you can do it! And you should keep going, since you never know if through some mystical and cosmic convergence we have the exact same room in our respective holds. I'll send you an Anyone Edit version if you like, although for Level 2 the puzzle is taking all those rooms as a whole, of course.

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01-07-2004 at 10:15 PM

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krammer wrote:
Bandit1200:

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×It's not that hard once you know what you've got to do, it's just fancy sword control and remembering not to press certain buttons.

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I can't beat the roaches in the left side of the room. I'm dead long before I need to worry about the queen.

01-07-2004 at 10:26 PM

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Oneiromancer wrote:
I know you can do it! And you should keep going, since you never know if through some mystical and cosmic convergence we have the exact same room in our respective holds. I'll send you an Anyone Edit version if you like, although for Level 2 the puzzle is taking all those rooms as a whole, of course.

Game on,

Oh, of course. I really want to do it. It's just 8 rooms in context was a little taxing at 11.30pm sometime last year, so I believe I just couldn't be bothered after that. I'll wait until my exams are finished at the end of next week and dig it out again.

Thanks for the encouragement.

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01-07-2004 at 10:34 PM

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To Bandit1200:

Not-too-spoily hint:

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And when you are ready to give up, read this spoiler:

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For the record, I'm happy someone isn't just breezing through my hold

But I guess it's always easier for the author than for the others.

[Edited by Big-J-Q on 01-07-2004 at 10:36 PM GMT: speeling erros galore]

01-07-2004 at 10:34 PM

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For the record, I'm happy someone isn't just breezing through my hold But I guess it's always easier for the author than for the others.

I had no problem anywhere else in the hold but this one is annoying me as I know what I want to do, I just can't do it. I'd already tried your suggested way numerous times, along with other strategies, (hah!), but I am always killed two moves before turning to reach the ones coming from the east. I'll give it another go tomorrow. Bedtime for me.

01-07-2004 at 10:58 PM

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Big-J-Q wrote:
For the record, I'm happy someone isn't just breezing through my hold But I guess it's always easier for the author than for the others.

1S1E on level 2 is so much more difficult than the other rooms I might suggest moving it lower down (even though it is the most clever room so far).

The rest of the rooms I breezed through, but I thought that was the point.

01-08-2004 at 01:22 AM

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jdyer wrote:

1S1E on level 2 is so much more difficult than the other rooms I might suggest moving it lower down (even though it is the most clever room so far).

I just feel that if I moved that room onto some later level, that would render level 2 too easy.

The other option is to make the rest of level 2 a little harder; In fact I already have some plans for that. Sadly, not too many plans

01-08-2004 at 03:32 PM

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perseverance isn't paying off here, as I'm still stuck in 2:1S1E a week later, even though I've been trying as the spoilers suggested. Any more help, even a demo of the first part of the room, would be appreciated.

01-15-2004 at 04:38 PM

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Here it is. Hope it works, I had to edit the warproom to go to level 2, I hope the demo still plays for you?

Oh, and btw, progress report: Nothing to report. Since holidays ended I haven't had much time to weave devious plans for my hold, but I'll let you know as soon as I have done something.

[Edited by Big-J-Q on 01-15-2004 at 05:05 PM GMT]

01-15-2004 at 04:55 PM

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Thanks, it worked fine. I can't believe that one move has cost me so much time and frustration, but that is the way of DROD sometimes. Cheers!

01-15-2004 at 11:34 PM

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