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If you couldn't tell from the topic, I am going to be going to Germany soon. I leave on June 4th and return on essentially July 30th. I do not plan to check up with the forum during those times, and this is fair warning for those of you who have recently discovered that you in fact can not live without my posts.

So! I tend to ramble.

If anybody has tips on what to bring/what to see in Germany (and Germany only-no Europe trip is planned) I'd like to see those tips.

Also, if anybody lives in Germany and would like to meet me one weekend during this time (along with, possibly, a friend, but doubtful), let me know as well.

I am going as part of a study abroad program, so I will be taking classes, but I will also be immersing myself in the culture, and hopefully getting to about 85, 90% fluency.

Let the German commence!

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Zex, you rock.

Have fun in Germany!
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Have a nice time be sure not to bring up any touchy subjects.

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Try every kind of beer they have, but make sure you can remember what they taste like. No blackouts ok?
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And so I go. Thanks for the tips and compliments, I shall return in Augusttime. Buh-byee.

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Quick note-I do have internet access, (no upload abilities) but I plan on thinking only in German for a while. I may stop by from time to time to check PMs or FRs or something, but aside from that I'm not going to reply to anything.

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Major envy, Zex!

I have good memories of Berlin, Stuttgart, and Cologne. I stayed in hostels and met cool people. It was great fun. I love how the German language sounds and wish I knew it better than just to say "where is the train station" or "I would like some coffee please". German words have a very satisfying sound to them for me.

Have an awesome time, fella!

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Germany update:

I just got back from Hamburg. I stayed in a hotel quite near the main train station, and enjoyed the city quite a bit.

Friday:

Arrive. Went to lunch at Burger King (quite American, I know.) and then on a Stadtfuhrung (city tour). Pretty much fell asleep on the bus, but got the gist of where everything was. Had dinner at an okay Italian place of which I forget the name. Went on the Reeperbahn, mainly to sightsee, at night. That is one crazy street, let me tell you. It's basically a red light district. Very pricey as well, but fun to walk around. People under drinking age-you don't belong on the Reeperbahn.

Saturday:

Went down to the harbor (Hafen) and walked the bridge on a very gorgeous day. Then proceeded to the Erotic Art Museum (sketchy porn guy included with price of ticket) and saw things belonging to the category for the rest of the day. After that, we rented paddleboats on the Alster-recommended for a beautiful day. Quite the sight. And the site. Crashed for a bit, then went back to the lake for sunset photos and to the Rathaus (city hall). Tired out from a lot of walking, in the evening had a bit of a drinking party and crashed.

Sunday (today)

We went to the lake again because it's that pretty, and we had nothing better to do while some of the group was at mass. Then, we went to the Hamburg historical museum (a really big place) and learned all about Hamburg. Outside, there was a very large amount of people on motorcycles (10,000+) and we watched them pass by, then walked to the train station and left.

All in all, it doesn't sound like all that much, but it was a lot of fun, and I enjoyed myself.

Next weekend: Leipzig.

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I may not be posting until I get back to the states in 5 or so weeks...my battery is dying, and I think my adaptor's dead.

Yar!

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False alarm. Apologies. I leave for Leipzig tomorrow morning, and I'll be back with an update come Mondaytime.

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The Leipzig update, and a small commentary on the difference between Germany, West, and Germany, East.

Leipzig. A city that, if you know anything about, brings the thought "culture", or so the stereotype goes. And yes, there are many things that are cultural. It is also a historic place with the claim to a very large "Montagsdemonstration" (Monday Demonstation) that began the fall of East Germany (The DDR; The Deutsche Demokratische Republik).

We arrived, and headed on down to the Jugendherberge (hostel), arriving at about 12:30. It was pretty hot the entire weekend, so most of us stank like stinky people, and sweated like sweaty people. There were 28 of us. :-O your face might go. That is quite a lot of people. It really is.

After we set our stuff down, we went to the Bahnhof (train station, how we arrived) for some eatings and the place where our city tour started. This city tour was free because it was given by the Zivis (abbr for Zivildienster, every man in Germany must either be in the military for a year or perform a service for a year.) who knew a little bit about Leipzig.

We saw some neat architecture, then headed down to (I think) the Thomaskirche (Church of Thomas, possibly a saint) to hear a choir. The choir was good, but everybody was tired, and I think I'm the only one who didn't fall asleep. But I tried to, as I was part of the everyone that was tired. They sounded extremely good, as well they should for how much time they put in (they live together, and sing for I believe 5-6 hours per day, if my recollection is correct.)

We then had a touch of free time where I chatted with 2 people from the group about random things that I forget, and we sat out in front of a restaurant (which I never know how to spell in English OR German) in the rain because it felt nice after such hot weather.

Side note: I love the wind, and it got windy in Leipzig when we were there. Glasses were falling off of tables, people were rushing to lock down chairs and umbrellas, and I loved it. It felt fantastic.

Main topic: I then got a pair of shoes for 10 Euro, marked down from 40. They look very cool, and you can't see them. Poor you guys. They are red and white, and 10 Euro. :)

Next, some of us trekked a while to find a place to see the Fussball (soccer) game between Germany and Brazil. Score: G2B3. Not too many Germans were happy.

Then came dinner at Auerbach's Keller. According to the Zivis, it is the 5th most famous restaurant in the world, Hard Rock Cafe being the first. A.K has a mention in the story of Dr. Faust, depending on the translation, and most of the translations have that. Anyway, it is a very good, good looking, and good tasting place to eat, but it is on the pricey side. I know there are more expensive restaurants out there, but I paid 26 Euro for my meal. While very good, it is pricey.

Plus, the waitress came to me for the translation from German to English. That was fantastic. I couldn't answer, but I tried my darndest, and I was feeling great about my speakings. (The other table had one good German speaker, the rest English, and he was distracted)

Pheasant tastes sorta like chicken I determined.

Also, if you happen to go, be prepared to wait for a long time. It took us 2 hours to get in and out of there. And be ready to sleep pretty much right afterwards, as you will be tired.

We tried to go to (Moritzbau? I think?) a happening club with young people (college students) but everybody was tired, and it wasn't very happening at 10:30. So then came the silly pushbutton shower in the hostel, and sleep.

Someone woke up at 5, thought it was 8, and started getting ready. In my room. That wasn't fun.

Sunday, we started out splitting the group, and going to either the Stasimuseem (secret police museum) or the Kunstmuseum (art museum). I went to the Stasimuseem, because I was kind of interested in what they did. I didn't really find out too much about that though: It is a very reading based museum, and I could only get about 60, 70% of what was there. Most of it wasn't about the Stasi. Silly, no?

We then took a tour of a TV station (after lunch). Summary of that: long walk, we're cool, look at all our cool stuff, we have an awesome view whenever we want it, peace out, long walk.

Unfortunately for me, I had already known about much of the technology they explained, as I work with television. (College TV, but TV just the same). So, 'twas a little dull for me. And they didn't take us to their editing rooms, which I am severely interested in. (I love me my editing).

Then, we train rode back to Goettingen.

Now for the commentary. The middle of the city seems like it could be in West Germany, except there's a lot of construction going on. A lot. Almost everywhere, somewhere within sight is a large construction project. Outside of the inner part of the city, (suburbs), all the buildings look the same, and have a lot of tags. Tags as in graffiti tags. And not pretty ones either, just "Insert name here with paint" tags. There are also construction projects here, but also things that you can tell have been broken, and nothing's being done about it.

The people seem generally larger and uglier. Sorry if anybody is from Leipzig, but that's my sense of it. I am assuming that's the way it is in all of East Germany as well. This may be a not good thing to do, but I can't stop myself just the same.

There's still a big debate going on about bringing back the Berlin wall, and splitting East from West again. I don't think that's the right solution, but the cultures are a bit different (from what little I've seen) and the people just seem different. Perhaps a mutual assimilation-The Wessis (West Germans) take that which is good from the Ossis (East Germany) and vice versa. I feel that there is a lot of stuff that would end up West German, but that's because I'm American. I would think a Russian would want more East German things in Germany, or at least think more of them are better.

Another solution may be to have an OPEN border between W. Germany and E. Germany, and let them become separate lands. This is probably highly undesired, but could be the solution everyone would find most appealing. Just, keep E. Germany democratic, and not Demokratik.

That's all for Leipzig. I congratulate you if you've read through all of this. It's pretty noncoherent, I would imagine.

Next up: Schloss ________(I forgot the name). A castle about an hour from Goettingen.

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Leipzig.
Wow, my home town (at the moment). I would be interested in your impression of the dialect. Did you have any problems? It isn't as prominent as it used to be, since a lot of people living in Leipzig are not natives.
We saw some neat architecture, then headed down to (I think) the Thomaskirche (Church of Thomas, possibly a saint) to hear a choir.
Yeah, that was surely the Thomaskirche. Their choir (Thomanerchor) is pretty famous.
We tried to go to (Moritzbau? I think?) a happening club with young people (college students) but everybody was tired, and it wasn't very happening at 10:30.
The Moritzbastei (Bastei is a sort of fortress, compare "bastion") is pretty cool, but those students are late sleepers and no one wants to be the first at a party, so it usually doesn't get going until 10 - 11 p.m. (I'm sure you meant p.m.)
I went to the Stasimuseem, because I was kind of interested in what they did. I didn't really find out too much about that though: It is a very reading based museum, and I could only get about 60, 70% of what was there.
That's too bad, but if you are interested, I could dig up something for you.
Now for the commentary. The middle of the city seems like it could be in West Germany, except there's a lot of construction going on. A lot. Almost everywhere, somewhere within sight is a large construction project.
You may not be aware of this, but until recently Leipzig was in the running for Olympia 2012 and will be a hosting city for the World Cup 2006, so a lot of infrastructural things are being done at the moment.
Outside of the inner part of the city, (suburbs), all the buildings look the same, and have a lot of tags. Tags as in graffiti tags. And not pretty ones either, just "Insert name here with paint" tags. There are also construction projects here, but also things that you can tell have been broken, and nothing's being done about it.
Believe it or not, Leipzig is famous for these houses, called "Gruenderzeithaeuser" or "Jugendstilhaeuser" which basically means from the around the time Germany became a nation (1871) or in the "Art Nouveau" style. A lot of houses aren't being renovated because a lot of people moved from eastern to western Germany after the Berlin Wall fell, and there just isn't enough demand for appartments to justify the cost of renovating.
The people seem generally larger and uglier. Sorry if anybody is from Leipzig, but that's my sense of it. I am assuming that's the way it is in all of East Germany as well. This may be a not good thing to do, but I can't stop myself just the same.
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There's still a big debate going on about bringing back the Berlin wall, and splitting East from West again. I don't think that's the right solution, but the cultures are a bit different (from what little I've seen) and the people just seem different. Perhaps a mutual assimilation-The Wessis (West Germans) take that which is good from the Ossis (East Germany) and vice versa. I feel that there is a lot of stuff that would end up West German, but that's because I'm American. I would think a Russian would want more East German things in Germany, or at least think more of them are better.

Another solution may be to have an OPEN border between W. Germany and E. Germany, and let them become separate lands. This is probably highly undesired, but could be the solution everyone would find most appealing. Just, keep E. Germany democratic, and not Demokratik.
No one seriously considers bringing the Berlin Wall back. Some demagougic populists talk about it, but they are (per definition) not serious. But you make an interesting point. Some people think the two states should have existed alongside each other for a while after the wall fell. I myself think that may have been the best way to go.

I am not sure if anyone here is aware of it, but the GDR had a democratically elected government prior to the reunion of the two countries, and it was superceded by the West German government after both signed an agreement. Some "leftists" in West Germany and a some of the East Germans spoke of "annexation" and supported a plan similar to what you suggest. To be historically fair, a lot of East Germans just wanted D-Mark, cars, electronics and weren't interested in politics and therefore supported a rapid reunion. In retrospect, a lot of East Germans complain about it now while ignoring (i) that they are in part responsible and (ii) the West Germans paid for a lot of their present wealth before and after the fall of the Berlin Wall. It's the only reason that they are financially better situated than e.g. Poland or the Czech Republic.

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Hi,

I'm sure you'll have a great time, from your PMs I can tell you'll be nearly a native speaker once you get back!

leroy has summed the feelings about the unification up quite nicely. Just remember what a HUGE feat it is to take two separate, large states with different political and cultural developments over 40 years, different economic systems, very different average buying power and combine them into a single smooth entity. It was only possible because germany (west) at the time was boasting a very healthy economy. However, it pushed both countries to the limit, and not all the hard measures that may have been necessary (hindsight is 20-20, as always) were put in place, while some incredible hardships had to be borne especially by the eastern states whose economic basis shattered completely, before rebuilding slowly started.

For all the moaning and complaining on both sides of the fence I believe that in the long run any other solution would have been far worse, and in a few years when people ask about your proudest moments germans will say "the many years of labor that made our country whole again."

About the state of repair in the east I did a bike tour along the north coast all the way to the polish border a few years ago, and what struck me (beyond the efforts of rebuilding provincial capitals and city centers) was how 40 years of noninvestment had actually preserved the original character of many buildings. Stralsund, Rostock, the little villages along the coast - it feels historic and authentic. This is a real chance to rebuild the cities with a lot of character.

Are you planning to get to Cologne? I can give you a few inside pointers there (my birthplace, even though I don't live there anymore)

Have fun!

PS: One last tip: Always always drink the local beer on tap. Germany has vast numbers of small local breweries serving sometimes as little as two or three village pubs, but the freshness and diversity is breathtaking. Try Koestritzer Schwarzbier (what a feast of german sounds in the name), a very black beer, but very tasty. Once you get to the Rhineland you must try both Koelsch and Alt (just make sure you never ask for both in the same pub, you are likely to be thrown out), Koelsch is a light Cologne speciality while Alt comes from Duesseldorf and compares well to an english bitter. But the city rivalry over these beers is fierce :) . Once you come further south its Weissbier (Wheatbeer, nothing to do with the color), and I recommend the dark variety. I could go on and on...

Experiment, but pace yourself, they are potent.

Cheers,
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Heya Zex-

I hope you didn't get discouraged by my reply to your Leipzig update. :? It just seemed that you were pretty interested in the east/west question, which is a really complex topic, and I thought you (and maybe other forumites) might like to hear some more about it. No-one expects you to become an expert on all things German so quickly. It was in no way meant personally, and I'd be interested to hear about the rest of your trip. In any case, have fun and a safe journey home.

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Yes, the east-west debate still holds some interest for me, but the previous "false alarm" that I mentioned turned into a real alarm. That is, my adaptor died on me, and I couldn't do the whole Forum thing for a month. I am back in the states currently, behind on ZelDROD, and going to type up my Germany experiences to my LJ, and probably copy them over here, separated, tomorrow. And use fewer commas.

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Welcome back! Just in time for the Smitemaster's Selection holds! ;)

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