rowrow
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I didn't play jtrh for a bit so I didn't get far recently. Anyway, I need help with this room. The arrows are bugging me. Is there like a trick to this room?

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silver
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no "real" trick, per se...




[Edited by silver at Local Time:04-20-2005 at 04:39 PM]

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rowrow
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How stupid I am. It always happens to me. Thanx.

[Edited by rowrow at Local Time:04-20-2005 at 04:55 PM]

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Chopper
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silver wrote:
no "real" trick, per se...

Click here to view the secret text

×just do one quadrant at a time

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×remember you can step "sideways" on arrows

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×and exit them in any of the three "forward" squares

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×in fact, you won't step off an arrow in the "correct" direction except to go back to the center

Click here to view the secret text

×stop clicking unless you want it spoiled badly

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×try going south first, all the way to the wall

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×then east into the corner

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×after that, every move you make should be on an arrow until the SW quadrant is done and you're back at the center. lather, rinse repeat for other quadrants

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×still stuck? next click is dead giveaway

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×N W NE N SW SW ... back and forth pattern

[Edited by silver at Local Time:04-20-2005 at 04:39 PM]

Must be Greek since I can't get all the trapdoors sprung. Perhaps a bit more explicit?

HopelessAmateur
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Chopper wrote: Must be Greek since I can't get all the trapdoors sprung. Perhaps a bit more explicit?

Concentrate more on the trapdoors than the queens/roaches. You can deal with the roaches in your own good time, whereas a wrong move on the trapdoors means a restore/restart.

If you still need more 'explicit' instructions, post here.

Chopper
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HopelessAmateur wrote:

Chopper wrote: Must be Greek since I can't get all the trapdoors sprung. Perhaps a bit more explicit?

Concentrate more on the trapdoors than the queens/roaches. You can deal with the roaches in your own good time, whereas a wrong move on the trapdoors means a restore/restart.

If you still need more 'explicit' instructions, post here.

Someone should have said earlier to just move along and forget killing roaches. Once I did that, it was almost a snap to complete. I still swear that the designers are all sadists.

stigant
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I still swear that the designers are all sadists.

Hmmm, so what does that make you?



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wiseoldman
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I definitely missing something here. If I try to kill the queens I mess up the quadrants. If I leave the queens then I am suck on the SW corner with roaches coming from 3 directions which is impossible to defend. So, what is the key here?

The graphic shows where I am near the NW corner. The two queens at NE and SE and putting out roaches which I have to defend. If I open the NW barrier I will then have roaches coming at me when I am down at the SW from three angels

What am I missing?

zaubberer
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both ways are possible: you can kill the queens during your walk through the trapdoors and you also can trap the doors and open all yellow doors before you kill the first queen.

you are on the second way. so try to kill the roaches near you fast and walk on. walk on your way. so you have roaches from two directions untill you open the fourth yellow door. and for this you have the way to the south....

if you really find no way i could send you my demo. in this case feel free to pm me.

zaubberer

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wiseoldman
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zaubberer:

I sent you a PM but another question arose ... how do you not kill any queen and still only have roaches coming at your from two directions as you reach the 4th queen?

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wiseoldman wrote:
... how do you not kill any queen and still only have roaches coming at your from two directions as you reach the 4th queen?

to open a yellow door you can stand near this door, ok? in this case you have to use three or four moves to kill the roaches in the "new opened" corner. after this the roaches (four of them) from two other directions are your next problem.

zaubberer

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My problem is that if I go into the SE corner to kill the queen than I have to soon or later go out by going NW which will cause me to miss the arrow immediately N of the minim. So how it is possible to kill the queen in the SE (or any corner except the last corner) and still drop the trapdoors in that quardant?

The normal path, if I don't kill the queen, is shown in yellow. If I go into kill the queen then the minic will have to move to the square where the yellow arrow is pointing. Soooooo .... what's the trick to killing the queens as you drop the trapdoors or is it better to wait until all trapdoors are dropped? If this is the case how can you prevent roaches from coming at you when you reach the SW corner, after dropping the SE, NE, and NW quardants?

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wiseoldman wrote:
My problem is that if I go into the SE corner to kill the queen than I have to soon or later go out by going NW which will cause me to miss the arrow immediately N of the minim. So how it is possible to kill the queen in the SE (or any corner except the last corner) and still drop the trapdoors in that quardant?

it is possible...


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wiseoldman
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Sorry, I just don't understand what you are saying. B and the minic both arrive at the positions shown in my graphic at the same time. I don't know how else to arrive there other than this. Perhaps I could start over and find a different way but I really have no idea how to proceed.

I did find that after I killed the roaches from the NW queen (NE and SE are alive) I can move to the center of the room and down to the entrance hall where I then can kill the roaches from the NW, NE, and SE in the next cycle. Then I can get to the SW queen (minic) opens the door and kill it. But then I can't drop all the trapdoors in the SW quardant.

Any suggestions ... anyone ?

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Ok, I finally figured out a way to solve the room. Starting from the enclosed graphic, I moved back to the NW corner and defended myself there until there were no more roaches this round. Then I moved down and opened the SW gate and moved back up to the NW corner. This way I could kill the NW queen & roaches and then keep in the 2X2 (lower right entrance) and defend myself there. Gradually I moved out from the corner and carefully moved around the trapdoors to eliminate them before the new roaches reached and then backed into the corner to kill them. Now I had time to kill the rest of the queens and the lone remaining roach. Only took me several days and several hours to see the "way of the force".

skip
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I really need a demo for this one. I have been working on it for a week. Thanks

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Okay then, demo coming.

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