Songsmith
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wackhead_uk wrote:
I still can't do L7 2N - even if the roaches weren't there I can't reach the potion in time. I can see what has to be done, but I can't do it in time.
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This still doesn't make sense to me... I can't stop them getting into the farthest corners. I can't use their spawn to stop them because they spawn after they've reached the corners.

Please help!
Thanks
Jan

stigant
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it looks something like this in the corner, right?

.<    . = free square
.<    <, ^ - force arrows
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When you get to the invis. potion, where is the queen? If you are as efficient as possible,


Now, assuming for a second, that you could get the queen to stay there, what square(s) could you kill her from and still escape the room?


Ok, but if you step there, she'll certainly be able to see you and will move to an unreachable square. What could prevent her from moving to an unreachable square?


So the trick is to get her to lay an egg without pushing her onto an unreachable square. How could you do that?

complete spoiler:


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Songsmith
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Thank you... the only problem is I can't get to the position you suggest to force her to move - there's a wall in the way, and it's immoveable!

Sorry - still stuck!

Jan

stigant
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Does this help:


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stigant wrote:
Does this help:

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.<..B
Q<...
^^...

Thank you
It was efficiency in which I was deficient - I thought I'd tried the sword pointin in every direction... but obviously I hadn't!
Thanks
Jan

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Ok, level 5 and 6 was easy.

I dont get it. I read through the thread. In which direction shall my sword point when I enter ?

krammer
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Well, if you really want to know...

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Blondbeard
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Let me just say that

And if you don´t want to figure anything out:

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Thank you you two. I now got the room and that west of it now and directly jumped to level Eight without doing the rest of level 7 (I found Level 8 in my restore screen.)

buddkin
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Dont works.

Q<-B
.<
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The Queen doesnt move to the lower free square.

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buddkin wrote:
The Queen doesnt move to the lower free square.

Correct.

The other hints in the thread (especially stigant's) should explain well enough how to do that.

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My question is not so much how to do this, or any other room with force arrows, what I don't seem to be able to grasp is why we can move off some force arrows to the side, and on others we get stuck. Is this an inconsistency, or am I forgetting how it's really been?:-?

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grandmoo wrote:
what I don't seem to be able to grasp is why we can move off some force arrows to the side, and on others we get stuck. Is this an inconsistency, or am I forgetting how it's really been?:-?

All force arrows work the same. You can move onto them from 5 directions, and move off of them to 5 directions. If a force arrow is pointing North, you can move onto it from the E, SE, S, SW, and W. You can move off of it to the E, NE, N, NW, and W. For the other 7 orientations of a force arrow, rotate these directions accordingly.

If you are on a force arrow and want to move onto another one, then both sets of rules apply, of course. You have to be able to move off of the one you are on, and also have to be able to move onto your destination one. Everything is consistent, so just experiment in the editor if you are still confused.

Game on,

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Oneiromancer wrote:

grandmoo wrote:
what I don't seem to be able to grasp is why we can move off some force arrows to the side, and on others we get stuck. Is this an inconsistency, or am I forgetting how it's really been?:-?

All force arrows work the same. You can move onto them from 5 directions, and move off of them to 5 directions. If a force arrow is pointing North, you can move onto it from the E, SE, S, SW, and W. You can move off of it to the E, NE, N, NW, and W. For the other 7 orientations of a force arrow, rotate these directions accordingly.

If you are on a force arrow and want to move onto another one, then both sets of rules apply, of course. You have to be able to move off of the one you are on, and also have to be able to move onto your destination one. Everything is consistent, so just experiment in the editor if you are still confused.

Game on,

Generically, you can enter a force arrow in any direction 90-180 degrees from the direction it points in. You can leave a force arrow in any direction from 0-90 degrees from the direction it points in.

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bmwasimo
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Blondbeard wrote:
Let me just say that

Click here to view the secret text

×when you have your sword in the right direction you will be able to take the closest possible route to the invisabillity potion. Think about it.

And if you don´t want to figure anything out:

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×the direction is SouthWest

I am still stuck on this level the queen reaches the corner before am able to kill the first 2 roaches let alone get to the invisibility. Please help I don't want hints as I read all the hints that have been written before.

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bmwasimo wrote:
I am still stuck on this level the queen reaches the corner before am able to kill the first 2 roaches let alone get to the invisibility. Please help I don't want hints as I read all the hints that have been written before.

You should have all the information available then. But here it is, explicitly:



Hope this is explicit enough. If you need more, I can provide a demo.




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Briareos
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bmwasimo wrote:
Please help I don't want hints as I read all the hints that have been written before.

Ummm... it's a bit hard to help you without giving out hints, you know?

Anyway, here's how to get to the invisibility potion:

After this, you'll be invisible, the top left queen will be on the southern tile of her box and the other queen will be on the arrows pointing north.

Killing the other roaches while doing the above shouldn't be much of a problem I suppose...

(Curse you, jbluestein, for beating me to it - but I'm posting this anyway... )

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bmwasimo
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Briareos wrote:

bmwasimo wrote:
Please help I don't want hints as I read all the hints that have been written before.

Ummm... it's a bit hard to help you without giving out hints, you know?

Anyway, here's how to get to the invisibility potion:

Click here to view the secret text

×Enter from the south with your sword pointing southwest - no, that's not a typo...

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×Move north 5 times

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×Move northwest 8 times

After this, you'll be invisible, the top left queen will be on the southern tile of her box and the other queen will be on the arrows pointing north.

Click here to view the secret text

×Approach the NW queen directly from the east and wait for her to spawn a roach - that way she'll be blocked from moving further north.

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×Now step on the arrow below her, and kill her and the roach while staying on that arrow.

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×Move east to get off the arrows again.

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×To kill the other queen, approach her directly from the west.

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×Point your sword NE and stand on the bottom one of the two east arrows next to her.

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×Step southeast and kill her.

Killing the other roaches while doing the above shouldn't be much of a problem I suppose...

(Curse you, jbluestein, for beating me to it - but I'm posting this anyway... )

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I did the 5 steps and when I try to do the 8 steps I get killed by the roach on the left, sorry, well am not going to ask "Am I doing something wrong". Still need help

bmwasimo
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jbluestein wrote:

bmwasimo wrote:
I am still stuck on this level the queen reaches the corner before am able to kill the first 2 roaches let alone get to the invisibility. Please help I don't want hints as I read all the hints that have been written before.

You should have all the information available then. But here it is, explicitly:

Click here to view the secret text

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Have your sword facing SW when you enter the room.

Make a beeline for the invisibility potion. When you reach it, the queens should be in the following positions:



Positions 1 and 2.

Now in each of those cases, you should be able to make yourself visible to a queen in such a way that she doesn't move but is still able to spawn. You are then able to step onto the force arrows that allow exiting again in order to kill first the queen and then her spawn.

Hope this is explicit enough. If you need more, I can provide a demo.
Please, a demo will be grate.

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bmwasimo wrote:
Please, a demo will be grate.

Well, I'm not jbluestein, but here goes...

Still, I'm curious what one could do wrong in these first 13 steps...

By the way, make sure you don't write your answer into the quote tag, as it's hard to notice it there, and maybe trim the text you quoted down to the relevant part like I did...

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