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I've been struggling here a lot. I managed to get 490 Defense on one run through the entry, but whenever I try making any tweak to what I did there, I wind up losing a lot of health. And trying to buy health to compensate erases the gains I hoped to make.

Things I've figured out:

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Details of my best run, which was before I really thought about comparing the altar to spending keys:
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I think the main thing that would help me is a recommended target Attack for the first two levels, then maybe I can wrangle something out of going for that.
08-19-2025 at 05:40 PM
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This is definitely a tough challenge. Even having done it before and knowing the rough route, I don't always succeed. Had a test run just now and finished with 483 DEF, quite a bit short of the target.

As for ATK targets:
Level 1: 26 ATK is a good target for killing the Neathers. Basically, prioritise ATK in this level because you absolutely need ATK to get the shield, and even after that, you need ATK and HP, and one thing not considered in your analysis is that Level 1 gives a large potion on the way when spending keys on ATK.

Level 2: Get 56 ATK before defeating the Soulless in 1E to unlock 2E.

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08-19-2025 at 08:05 PM
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Consider that if you need more stats in earlier levels, then getting DEF puts you less behind in terms of reaching 500 DEF than getting ATK.
08-20-2025 at 12:57 AM
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I tried following that philosophy and I couldn't see a way to push it past 490.

And it just isn't true in certain situations. Getting two attack on Floor 1 is potentially better than getting three defense long term because you're not spending keys to get the same attack boost... but spending the keys would also get you HP, which is very tight at times, so if it turns out you need the HP you don't get the full use of that potential.

My problem is, the relationships between stats, keys, and HP are complex enough that I don't know how to evaluate which option is better, other than to keep trying until I run into trouble or pull it off. And right now I'm running into trouble no matter what I try.

Basically I feel like I've figured out just about everything I could figure out here, and I need help sorting through the complex mess of possibilities to get over the final hurdle.
08-20-2025 at 01:37 AM
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I'm in agreement with Fogel. You need to remember that in Level 2, the Soulless guarding the shield and the Rattlesnake are massive HP sponges, and ATK will hugely lower their damage, allowing you to save keys and money you would otherwise have spent on health, and turn those into more DEF at their maximum value.

Anyway, I just had a successful run -- my first attempt was about as close as it's possible to be (497 DEF and 100 GR), and then I improved that to a win with 505 DEF :thumbsup

* I used the Level 1 altar three times for ATK, and fought the Neathers with 28/28.
* At the start of Level 2, I turned all the keys I was carrying into DEF. In my failed run, I used the altar once more at this point; in the winning run I did not.
* I fought the Soulless for the Bronze Shield with 50/68. After this, I prioritised DEF and only picked up ATK from free-standing gems and green keys. (I got enough HP for the Rattlesnake by first collecting HP behind monsters where this was a profit, then spending GR on HP, as it offers a better rate than keys.)

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08-20-2025 at 02:15 AM
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Thinking about how to spend 1 altar and 4 keys between level 1 and 3. If level 1 uses ATK altar and level 3 uses 4 keys then you have 2 ATK early and 2 ATK 12 DEF later. If level 1 uses DEF altar + 1 key and level 3 uses 3 keys then you have 4 DEF early and 13 DEF later. Would 2 ATK or 4 DEF save more HP throughout levels 1 and 2? Not just the [mini]bosses but all fights?

Also how many keys are you buying in level 1 and 2?
08-20-2025 at 02:56 AM
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greenscience wrote: Also how many keys are you buying in level 1 and 2?

As many as possible. Before leaving each level, you want to buy keys while they're cheap, then take them to the next level whether they have more value.

I took 16 yellow and 2 green keys from Level 1 to 2, and 22 yellow keys from Level 2 to 3.

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08-20-2025 at 03:12 AM
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Still struggling with this. So far, I have not been able to match Nuntar's stats on leaving Floor 1. If I could figure that out, I could probably wrangle something, but I'm not sure how much easier that is than trying to improve my 490 attempt.
08-20-2025 at 05:47 AM
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In my run I had these stats at the end of level 1 and 2.

Level 1:
HP 656, ATK 34, DEF 37, GR 5, REP 255, KEYS 10/1

Level 2:
HP 245, ATK 80, DEF 117, GR 20, REP 1770, KEYS 35/1

After level 2, the rest was trivial with these stats, considering I boosted my def using the altar starting from a 60 REP cost, and I spent 35 keys in defence.

The tricky and hardest part is completing level 1 with good stats, while level 2 is also hard, but not crazy hard.
I took the wooden shield (before the spider) when I had 473 HP, 18 ATK, 23 DEF, 40 GR, and 20 REP (no keys).
I took the wooden sword (right before taking it) when I had 256 HP, 22 ATK, 35 DEF, 5 GR, 255 REP, 10/1 keys.
I took the bronze shield (before the soulless) when I had 1757 HP, 50 ATK, 85 DEF, 113 GR, and 563 REP (no keys).
I took the short sword (right before taking it) when I had 481 HP, 56 ATK, 113 DEF, 443 GR, and 16 yel keys.

In this run, the HP was the true issue, sometimes I had to take potions just to survive the next monster. However, I had the opportunity to reach beyond 520 def, so there's some leniency. 35 keys at the end of level 2 is probably too much, 25 or 30 should be fine too.

I stand by what I said in chat, this is probably one of the hardest (if not the hardest) score in all of the drod rpg holds so far.



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08-20-2025 at 11:08 AM
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It sounds like Red found an even better route, but since I don't know the details, here are finer details of how I completed Level 1:

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08-20-2025 at 02:31 PM
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My run pretty much always picked DEF whenever possible to have more leeway for stats on level 1 and 2.

Before Neather:
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Before Rattlesnake:
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08-20-2025 at 03:27 PM
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Just had a run attempting to follow Red-XIII's route and won with 506 DEF, so I can give hints towards this route if you prefer.

Basically, I followed my own previous route up to getting the wooden shield (so I got two ATK altar boosts), then I switched to only spending keys on DEF. I beat the Neathers with 22/35 and the Soulless for the bronze shield with somewhere around 44/70. Later in the level, just once I spent keys on ATK so I could reach 56 for the enemy gauntlet to unlock Level 2 2E.

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08-20-2025 at 04:50 PM
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Thanks for the advice, everyone. In the end I had trouble following it, so I decided to go back to a point partway through my 490 run and tried something different:

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The help is appreciated even if I didn't end up making direct use of it. But I think trying very different things did help me to get a bit of a fresh view on the entry.

That said, ultimately I got it with a route that's distinctly "mine" and that feels more satisfying.
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