kikuchiyo
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So this room is somewhat like the Arky's Selection rooms in TSS that



I can do the left two sections


But what to do about the wraithwing?

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kikuchiyo
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Indeed, soon after asking for help I've realized that

LovaP48
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From Fogel's hint, I understand that
Help please!

Dragon Fogel
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Well, you've identified a problem. So, how do you solve it?

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Dragon Fogel wrote:
Well, you've identified a problem. So, how do you solve it?

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×If the adder can't go that far west, then you'll need to make it be somewhere else when its preference shifts.

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×Think about what you know about how it reacts to where you're standing. This may be helpful for your other problem, too.

I am generally one for being educational and so on, but this really doesn't help me.
I still do not understand how to achieve what I'm trying to achieve, nor any kind of setup for it.

IWannaFans
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LovaP48 wrote:

Dragon Fogel wrote:
Well, you've identified a problem. So, how do you solve it?

Click here to view the secret text

×If the adder can't go that far west, then you'll need to make it be somewhere else when its preference shifts.

Click here to view the secret text

×Think about what you know about how it reacts to where you're standing. This may be helpful for your other problem, too.

I am generally one for being educational and so on, but this really doesn't help me.
I still do not understand how to achieve what I'm trying to achieve, nor any kind of setup for it.

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×I can only affect the snake, in the first part, to go North even while moving westward on horizontal preference.

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×Which just seems to make it run in two circles along the top two rows, still never touching the mud because it's too far west.

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×Given my position, I could maybe make it go south if I stood behind it, but that would mean it needs to be travelling west while being next to the north wall and I can't make that happen. (This will probably be handy for the second part of my task.)

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IWannaFans wrote:

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×I made the adder out when I'm at (27,9) and the adder head at (27,16) facing up, the clock shows 22, then I moved left to make the adder moves left, then the adder broke the mud blob and got out.

That sounds impossible, because when the adder head is at (27,16), given its loop has length 20, the head can only be on that tile during turns 6, 16, and 26.

Sooo, what are you talking about?

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LovaP48 wrote:

IWannaFans wrote:

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×I made the adder out when I'm at (27,9) and the adder head at (27,16) facing up, the clock shows 22, then I moved left to make the adder moves left, then the adder broke the mud blob and got out.

That sounds impossible, because when the adder head is at (27,16), given its loop has length 20, the head can only be on that tile during turns 6, 16, and 26.

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×And if I disturb the snake in any manner, then I can no longer get a situation when it's going north while its head is at (27,16).

Sooo, what are you talking about?

It is possible.

Maybe I'm not fully understand your problem, I think it should be

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IWannaFans wrote:
Maybe I'm not fully understand your problem, I think it should be

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×how to make the adder out without using soulless (if my solution is intended).

From what I've read above in the hints from Kikuchiyo and Fogel, that is what it's suppose to happen and that is what I'm trying to do.

IWannaFans wrote:
It is possible.

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×Try to make the adder facing down at (28,18) during turn 9, 19 or 29. You should disturb the adder.

It feels like we're solving two different puzzles.

So, I do not understand your "turn 9 mod 10" remark about the snake going down.
At this point, if I'm honest, I'd like a demo, at least of the snake-freeing part, because I'm clearly HORRIBLY missing something.
Thanks!

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LovaP48 wrote:

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×If I disturb the snake at all, I can no longer put in onto row 18 in any way.

Yes you can. You're apparently forgetting a major rule of snake movement, which will also help with the problem you're anticipating but haven't actually gotten to yet.

This rule has shown up in the hold before. I will point you to a room you can review which may help you get unstuck.



If you need further help:

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