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I'm currently playing through an hour of each hold to collect information on things that need special mention in the Deadlies poll. I expect to have this done by the end of the month, so hopefully we'll have the voting start on April 1st.

For categories 14 and 15 I would like help from the community.
For Community Contributor, if you wish to nominate someone, send me a PM explaining who you are nominating and what the reason for the nomination is. For DROD Video Presentation, I mostly just frequent YouTube, so if anyone has been streaming DROD on Twitch in 2024, please let me know.

For category 1, custom elements, there are a few things that need to be sorted out. ZelDROD Dungeon Contest Hold isn't the first ZelDROD hold, so any custom elements there that are from previous holds wouldn't be eligible for this category. Likewise, The Descent of King Hesper includes a bunch of previously published custom elements. Given the length of that hold, there's also a high possibility that mentioning new custom elements would potentially spoil people on them, so I'd like to know if the community wants me to include new custom elements from that hold in the Deadlies, or if the custom elements should just be used to judge the hold's overall scripting without getting into specifics.

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03-13-2025 at 04:16 AM
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Please list the ZelDROD Dungeon Contest Hold as a group effort assembled by disoriented.
Each contest participant scripted a unique "upgrade item", all of which are new custom elements:
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03-13-2025 at 04:32 AM
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disoriented wrote:
Please list the ZelDROD Dungeon Contest Hold as a group effort assembled by disoriented.
Each contest participant scripted a unique "upgrade item", all of which are new custom elements:
I scripted the Horned Helmet, but did not use it in my entries. I gave permission for others to use it, but I don't think anyone did.

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I'm wondering if we should exclude The Descent of King Hesper from the Deadlies and instead wait a few more months (so people can finish playing it) and then have a mini-Deadlies for "Best Level in DKH", "Best Custom Element in DKH", "Best Streaming of DKH", etc.

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Maybe we should just exclude DoKH and rename the categories this year: "Runner-up hold of the year", "Creative Design Almost-Excellence in <x>", and so on. ;)
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Someone Else wrote:
Maybe we should just exclude DoKH and rename the categories this year: "Runner-up hold of the year", "Creative Design Almost-Excellence in <x>", and so on. ;)

I know this is meant to be a joke but it's pretty disrespectful to the people who worked hard to release a hold last year.

In my opinion the most compelling reason to make some sort of structural change to how DoKH is included in the Deadlies is because in many respects it's much closer to an official release than a normal hold. It's a hold which has taken years and years to build with many many collaborators - of course Nuntar should be given a lot of props for the enormous amount of hard work that they put into the hold, but it's not exactly a like-for-like comparison to a one-person hold.

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03-14-2025 at 09:39 AM
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Maybe a poll to decide what to do with DKH?
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Other options?

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For what it's worth, I would feel plenty proud for either of the DROD holds I submitted last year to get "runner-up to DKH".

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03-14-2025 at 03:14 PM
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I may have not been the most politic - sorry! I don't think it's a slight to anyone to say that DoKH should win Hold of the Year by acclamation, and everyone else is playing for silver. Like Xindaris, I'd feel good about Accelerated Flooding getting "runner up to DoKH".

It's largely a question of "do we want DoKH to sweep the Deadlies?" It's not wrong, I don't think, to award a really good hold many (or most) awards in a given year. Perhaps the least opinionated way would be to ask if Nuntar would like to voluntarily withdraw it from consideration? I wouldn't feel good about removing it from the Deadlies if it makes anyone feel like the accolades they deserve are being denied them.
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Someone Else wrote: Perhaps the least opinionated way would be to ask if Nuntar would like to voluntarily withdraw it from consideration?

I understand the reasons for asking, but this is not going to happen, not least because it isn't my decision to make. Thirty different architects contributed to the project, and many of them are no longer active. Also, there are a lot of different categories, and I would like to find out how people feel our scripting, storyline and so forth measure up to other holds. In some cases, the large size may be to our disadvantage and people may prefer holds that maintain greater consistency over a smaller size.

It's true that DKH is a bit of a special case because nothing of quite this scope has been successfully completed before, but it's not entirely unique. There have been other group projects, as well as Smitemaster's Selections that get to be polished by the Caravel team, and they've always been allowed to enter the awards like any other hold.

Because DKH is a huge collaboration and I made a comparatively small part of the hold, I won't accept any rank point awards if we win any. I don't know how people feel about whether the rank points should go to the second-place winner in this case?

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I included Treacle Stew in the Deadlies when that hold came out, and it ended up winning a bunch of categories, but The Legend of ZelDROD also ended up taking quite a few in that year. I get that The Descent of King Hesper is a bigger project than we usually see, but my inclination was to just include it alongside everything else. It will probably win a lot of categories, but it can't win all of them. I think that it's fine to keep it in the voting.

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Doing a sanity check before posting the poll. Let me know if you take issue with anything in these categories:

1. Best Custom Game Element
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7. Creative Design Excellence in Difficulty
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8. Creative Design Excellence in Entertainment
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11/12. No voice acting or novice architects in 2024.


13. Erik Hermansen Award for Lifetime Architectural Achievement
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15. Best DROD Video Presentation
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(yes, I know the links to youtube channels are broken; I'll try to fix it for the actual poll)

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