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RankEntryAverageStandard Deviation
1Stuff It!8.77777777777781.0304020550551
1King Ebenezer's Dungeon8.77777777777781.4740554623802
3Campfire Grove8.44444444444441.1653431646335
4Who wants to build a snowman?8.11111111111111.5947444549341
5Winter Variety Puzzles 20247.77777777777781.6178021976179
6Bag of candies7.22222222222222.5288459281647
7Snowball7.11111111111112.0786985482077
8The Win Tar6.44444444444441.8921540406585
Winter Variety Puzzles 2024
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Average Vote 7.7777777777778
Standard Deviation 1.6178021976179

Stuff It!
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Average Vote 8.7777777777778
Standard Deviation 1.0304020550551

Bag of candies
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Average Vote 7.2222222222222
Standard Deviation 2.5288459281647

King Ebenezer's Dungeon
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Average Vote 8.7777777777778
Standard Deviation 1.4740554623802

Campfire Grove
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Average Vote 8.4444444444444
Standard Deviation 1.1653431646335

Who wants to build a snowman?
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Average Vote 8.1111111111111
Standard Deviation 1.5947444549341

The Win Tar
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Average Vote 6.4444444444444
Standard Deviation 1.8921540406585

Snowball
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Average Vote 7.1111111111111
Standard Deviation 2.0786985482077
Total Votes 11 100%
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Welcome to the voting round of the 2024 Stocking Fillers contest!

Rules were simple: A small hold with no more than 4 scorable rooms and a winter theme. We received 8 entries.

In the next post you will find attached the hold with all the entries. For the final submission, more effort will be put into the hub, this is just to get the entries out there quickly. Authors have been anonymized for fairness just for this voting round.

Voting lasts for one week. Please give all of the entries a rating out of 10. To prevent shenanigans, it is advised that authors rate their own hold 10 to effectively cancel that vote out against all the other authors who are presumably doing the same, but ultimately do whatever you want. Not doing so will make you more likely to lose.

In the unlikely event of an exact tie, the tiebreaker will be the author with the most 10/10 votes, then the most 9/9 votes etc. In the very exceptionally unlikely event that every single vote is identically distributed, I will declare them joint winners and I'll buy extra prizes as required.

The following room styles are used by some entries:
- Mosaic Frost
- BlueBricks
- AE style mod
If you see any rooms in City style, you don't have the theme installed, head over to https://forum.caravelgames.com/site/styles

Happy voting!

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Here is the hold.

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12-12-2024 at 05:36 PM
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The author of The Win Tar believed one of the rooms may have accidentally been made impossible. In the interests of not have people bash their head against something that can't be solved, the entry has been updated. A new download is available in the previous post.
12-12-2024 at 06:49 PM
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Some secret US notes to architects

Stuff It!
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Bag of Candies
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Campfire Grove
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The Win Tar
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12-13-2024 at 06:44 AM
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About Bag of Candies:

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12-13-2024 at 07:11 AM
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ohhh, neat challenge

Just checked, the NW is also possible post completion

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Here are some solutions which think they were not intended.

Snowball
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Stuff it, 2S1E
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King Ebenezer’s dungeon, 2N
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That third one is easily fixed by making the door a firetrap, so it can't be tapped.

Personally, I'm hoping the first one doesn't get fixed.

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12-14-2024 at 09:27 PM
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Some comments I wrote. The first time I wrote comments I was feeling kind of sour from grading calculus papers for several hours, and while I have reevaluated my thoughts and edited the notes significantly since then, a tiny bit of that sourness might have persisted.

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12-17-2024 at 11:30 PM
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I wish I had more time to try and solve the entries.
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12-19-2024 at 04:16 AM
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Xindaris wrote: the win tar
the same room 4 times, but with tiny variations. I get the idea behind it, at least in 1N, but it feels like I'd pretty much have to psychically guess what the correct configuration of mud is to ensure that the tar does exactly what it's supposed to with precisely the correct timing. It's extra obnoxious (in my opinion at least) that the firetraps stay on forever after being first turned on. 2N seems like it'd be really easy with a screenshot of the solution to 1N in hand. 2N1W only seems to change the order of when you switch tar/mud vs. when you place the decoy, which seems pointless but I guess must do something. And I really don't see how 1N1W is supposed to work--there's nothing to remove the mud from the central plate once it's on there.

This level was massively hurt by an unintended solution (as Rabscuttle pointed out), but ignoring that, here's what's going on in each room:

1N
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I suppose the devil is in the details. I can kind of echo Kalin's comment above; if I'd had maybe another week (since I'm now in actual Christmas break time and not work-deadline time), I could've given the tougher entries like yours a more serious look than I did. But I was instead feeling pressure to rate even levels where I hadn't completed a single room....ugh.

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12-19-2024 at 08:36 PM
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The results are in! Thanks to all of our entrants. We had a first place tie, so I broke it according to the manner I set out in the first post.

1st Place - King Ebenezer's Dungeon - Dragon Fogel
2nd Place - Stuff It! - Xindaris
3rd Place - Campfire Grove - Chaco
4th Place - Who wants to build a snowman? - Red-XIII
5th Place - Winter Variety Puzzles 2024 - disoriented
6th Place - Bag of candies - komachi
7th Place - Snowball - Rabscuttle
8th Place - The Win Tar - Nuntar

Dragon Fogel is the winner! Please nominate somebody to receive the 12th month CaravelNet subscription!

Thank you to everybody who participated. An architecture thread for the compilation to publish will arrive sometime this week.

Sorry if the playing or architecture phase were too short. I wanted to try something speedy and I hoped the tiny scope would result in some thing small and manageable in what I imagine to be a busy time of the year for many, but for some this time might be less busy than most, and we ended up with many more entries, and many more really hard ones, than I had anticipated, perhaps I should have made the playing and voting phase a bit longer. Something to keep in mind for next time.

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I had some spare time this past weekend and Monday, so I recorded some commentated video playthroughs of the contest entries, talking about how to solve them, and how I judged these entries as being sufficiently "winter-themed", and of course fun.

I think a fair amount of what I covered was also brought up by other comments, including the unintended solutions, but I hope these are at least a little entertaining. I did manage to solve every single room, too, so you can watch me come up with the chains of reasoning that solve the tougher entries and rooms.

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12-19-2024 at 11:24 PM
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I'm gifting my prize to Nuntar, as thanks for all the hard work he's put into Entry Point, not to mention things like the 5.0 updates and other little things over the years.

Commentary on my entry:
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Thanks for holding this contest. I had fun. I probably would have had more fun if I didn't rush so much on my entry.
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Thank you :thumbsup although in that case, can I pass it on to PigmyWubba? He's been enormously helpful in this last testing phase, and I wasn't able to invite him to the discord group as it has a maximum size of 10 people, so he missed out when surrealcanine was giving a subscription to everyone.

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It's fine by me if it gets passed along.
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Thanks for the video, Chaco! Some brief notes...

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Congratulations to the winner!
Here are my comments for the entries, as well as my comments for Chaco’s reaction and solutions to my entry.

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Hi komachi, if you want to, you can use this candy icon that I used for the 2021 Make a Good DROD Level contest. Set it as the icon for your custom character.

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Red-XIII wrote:
Who wants to build a snowman?
Chaco managed to find an “US” to the entrance, I did not wish for the player to perform such a fiddly manipulation
Actually, Chaco just found a harder way to keep up with Halph.
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I do suspect there's a bug in Halph's pathfinding (see 29:30 in Chaco's video). I can provide a more obvious demo showing that Halph is confused about which direction an arrow is facing.

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Congrats to PigmyWubba, who should now have 12 months of CaravelNet.
12-21-2024 at 02:52 PM
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Xindaris wrote:

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I'm gonna try to make less messy rooms, also Chaco's videos helped. Thanks to both for the comments.

Comments about my rooms.
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Hi komachi, if you want to, you can use this candy icon that I used for the 2021 Make a Good DROD Level contest. Set it as the icon for your custom character.

Hello, I will use it. Many thanks :D.
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Oh, for the record, for the compilation that will eventually be published, I'm happy for authors to make any updates they like to make the final published result better. Unless it's excessive, like adding new rooms etc. So if you want to fix unintended solutions or improve a room, feel free and you can post the update when I make the architecture thread, which will be sometime this week.
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Thanks Fogel and Nuntar! I appreciate it. My caravelnet had actually just run out a week or so ago and I wasn't planning on renewing until DKH actually came out.

I'm still around, just been lurking.

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12-22-2024 at 02:34 AM
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There's now an architecture thread for the final compilation: https://forum.caravelgames.com/viewtopic.php?TopicID=46323
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