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Here is a thread for creating a compilation the "Architectural Bad Habits: Backtracking" contest.

A non-anonymized version of the hold used for the contest voting will appear in the next post.

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My plans:

1. Reorder the rooms in reverse contest ranking order.

2. Add some contest host notes about each entry.

3. De-anonymize the scrolls by the entrances.

4. Maybe make the hub prettier.

Requests from others:

Entry authors:

- Please make sure your level appears correctly in the hold.

- Provide author's notes to be placed in the hub, if you want.

- Mention modifications you want made to the entry if necessary. I guess adding checkpoints and challenges would be okay. Other changes would probably have to be considered with regard to the general rule that the compilation entries should be similar to the contest entries.

Xindaris:

- Since I haven't completed your entry yet, I might need demos and a description of the collection of information in the level.

Anyone:

- Ideas for improving the hub would be appreciated.

- As would regular testing of the hold.

HA:

- Guidance about (eventually) promoting the hold with specific regard to the backtracking "problems".
07-26-2022 at 09:10 PM
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And here is the hold.

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For demos, I actually have a complete demo set for the hold I submitted in the contest submission thread, which I'll attach here. However, I (or someone) will have to go and re-create them inside the contest hold in order for them to be actually useful, so I'll work on that a bit later.

I'll dedicate the rest of this post to a 'hint guide', which I'll put in a big secret here.
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[Last edited by Xindaris at 07-30-2022 04:49 PM]
07-26-2022 at 10:04 PM
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I thought about adding challenges for going through my entry backwards (or perhaps for both ways) but in the end I didn't do it. I could see about scripting those if there's interest.
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Xindaris:
I didn't realize that was supposed to be a face, or that the first riddle covered both rooms. I just made up challenges until one worked (and ended up doing an extra step).

For the secret room, I think you need some hints about which scrolls are setup and which sequence, since the two directly contradict each other. Also, the scroll at (12,19) appears to be wrong. And how do you get past the firetraps to do Setup 2?

Dragon:
What if you just remove the shortcut? At least three of the rooms block your passage if already cleared.
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And I cleared Pathways.

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bbb:
The secondary challenge is how I did it, since I hate rearranging stuff like that. (I am not even going to attempt your primary challenge.)
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2S2E:
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1S3E:
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I'm sorry to tell you this Xindaris, but there appear to be multiple ways of doing each part of 2S2E. I'm now curious what you thought the fluff was needed for.

My challenge (very close to how I actually solved it):
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So I managed that, though I still had to use the fluff to make ice. And I had to use the speed potion to complete the room this way.

The fluff is intended (I think) to hold the giant in the SE area, like the broken walls to the NW.
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I don't think I have an interest in doing the room that way myself, but I think I can see what's 'wrong' now at least. I needed to set up the briar mechanism differently, maybe so it would lock if whatever was on the two buttons the giant's supposed to be on didn't get off pretty quickly? The stick just gives the player too many options, I suppose.

Well, it's officially too much effort/change for me to bother with for modifying something in a contest compilation.

As for reading the scroll, I would give challenge credit for the player stepping on the scroll and then on the west edge of the room (any of those tiles), since that proves that you've actually escaped.

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What I'm leaning to at the moment is to keep the submissions as is, and add a bonus level with modified versions of rooms which enforce challenges.

That is work I'll have to do, but I'd still like to ask if anybody (especially Xindaris whose rooms are most affected) has any opposition to this option.
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I have no objection to that. I don't think there was anything I seriously wanted to change in my entry at this point, unless I forgot something that I said I would alter in an earlier post here.

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I attached an updated hold in the second post.

Changes:

* De-anonymized entry title scrolls.

* Changed entry order in hub to reverse contest placement.

* Added a bonus level with modified rooms to enforce challenges mentioned above.

Please test and comment. If I didn't mess anything up, and don't get new comments or ideas for additional challenge rooms, I'll probably submit the hold as is.

I plan on submitting next week unless issues come up.

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