Announcement: Be excellent to each other.


Caravel Forum : DROD Boards : Flash DROD Hints and Solutions : King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level
Page 1 of 2
2
New Topic Post Reply
Poster Message
kikuchiyo
Level: Delver
Rank Points: 31
Registered: 04-01-2012
IP: Logged
icon King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (+1)  
I admit to being stuck in this room (
Click here to view the secret text
).

I understand that the goal is to let the tar grow in the central enclosure without creating even one tar baby, and that for this, I have to have the roach positioned next to the islands or edges for the turns when the tar grows.

This seems straightforward until after the fourth growth of the tar, when the roach has to be at (12,11). After that, I'm lost.

If I break the crumbly wall south of the queen and then go west to lure the roach to (6,11), then the tar will fill the queen's area and I can't get in anymore.

If I don't break the wall, then the blob with the queen won't grow into a cuttable shape and the tar in the central enclosure will block the way for the roach.

The only way I see I can kill the queen is to let its blob grow into a 3x2 shape, and for that I have to break the crumbly wall, and then stand next to it when it grows. But I don't see when I could do this.

Which of my assumptions are wrong?

01-22-2014 at 09:06 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts High Scores Quote Reply
Parse
Level: Delver
Avatar
Rank Points: 57
Registered: 12-15-2006
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (+2)  
This is the incorrect assumption:
quote:
kikuchiyo wrote:
If I break the crumbly wall south of the queen and then go west to lure the roach to (6,11), then the tar will fill the queen's area and I can't get in anymore.



Click here to view the secret text

01-23-2014 at 07:36 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
kikuchiyo
Level: Delver
Rank Points: 31
Registered: 04-01-2012
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (0)  
Yes, I know that I have
Click here to view the secret text
growth cycles before the roach has to be at (6,11).

However, I can't just let the roach stay at (12,11), because if I do, then a tar baby will spawn next to it when the tar expands.

The only way I can get the roach out of there is to go west, to (11,5) - and when I go back to deal with the queen, I'm one or two moves short.
01-23-2014 at 09:24 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts High Scores Quote Reply
Moo
Level: Master Delver
Rank Points: 214
Registered: 10-14-2006
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (+2)  
I had big problems with this room. Trying not to spoil it too much - your problem probably lies with
Click here to view the secret text


[Last edited by Moo at 01-23-2014 10:36 PM]
01-23-2014 at 10:35 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts High Scores Quote Reply
kikuchiyo
Level: Delver
Rank Points: 31
Registered: 04-01-2012
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (0)  
Unfortunately, when I try to deal with the tar mother
Click here to view the secret text
, it becomes
Click here to view the secret text

01-25-2014 at 04:52 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts High Scores Quote Reply
NoahT
Level: Smitemaster
Avatar
Rank Points: 1009
Registered: 06-17-2003
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (+1)  
Click here to view the secret text

-Noah

____________________________
And in the end, the love you take is equal to the love you make.

My stuff:
Click here to view the secret text


[Last edited by NoahT at 01-27-2014 01:50 AM]
01-27-2014 at 01:45 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts This architect's holds Quote Reply
kikuchiyo
Level: Delver
Rank Points: 31
Registered: 04-01-2012
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (+1)  
Ahh, thanks, this last tip was enough. It made me realize that I was not patient enough at a certain point. There was no need to haste.

Click here to view the secret text

01-27-2014 at 06:55 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts High Scores Quote Reply
abe10
Level: Goblin
Avatar
Rank Points: 18
Registered: 03-14-2014
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (0)  
quote:
NoahT wrote:
If you can manipulate the roach in such a way so that Beethro can move to (5, 11) the turn right after the fourth spawn cycle, that should leave enough time to deal with the mother before any inaccessible babies can be spawned.
-Noah


What do you mean by "so that Beethro can move to 5,11"?? That Is A Wall! A Solid Wall @THAT!! It does not make any sense! Not even the Roach can make it there!

____________________________
My avatar is a cool gif I found on the Kongregate forums.
Click here to view the secret text


[Last edited by abe10 at 03-22-2014 06:39 PM]
03-22-2014 at 06:37 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
abe10
Level: Goblin
Avatar
Rank Points: 18
Registered: 03-14-2014
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (0)  
Does anyone have a list of the points I should be at for the turns the queen spawns? I know it starts at (1,15), then where do I go?

____________________________
My avatar is a cool gif I found on the Kongregate forums.
Click here to view the secret text

03-23-2014 at 08:36 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
bwross
Level: Smiter
Rank Points: 376
Registered: 04-17-2005
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (+3)  
Okay, I think I've deciphered this conversation now. "Queen" means "mother" and (5,11) should probably be (11,5). For a while there I wasn't sure this was talking about the same room.

Anyways, I don't really have a list of the exact points, but I can give a hint to get things going. The first place the roach is going to need to be is over on the left side where the tar is going to expand around a corner (that's what you look for to see where you need to be next). But if you go to the side and lead the roach there and wait, you'll find that you'll always be short trying to reach the next point. This is a job for Perfection.

(That's a reference to the Smitemaster Selection where the following trick needs to be used again and again.)
Click here to view the secret text


[Last edited by bwross at 03-24-2014 10:09 AM]
03-24-2014 at 10:07 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
abe10
Level: Goblin
Avatar
Rank Points: 18
Registered: 03-14-2014
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (0)  
What Pocket?? If you mean the only 'opening' for the 'ring', then it is still confusing. I cannot find the right path!!!

____________________________
My avatar is a cool gif I found on the Kongregate forums.
Click here to view the secret text

03-24-2014 at 04:20 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
bwross
Level: Smiter
Rank Points: 376
Registered: 04-17-2005
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (0)  
The pocket is at (6,9). Once a roach is in there, it won't come out until you move to column 7, so it's a nice little "pocket" to hold the roach until you need it.
03-24-2014 at 04:39 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
abe10
Level: Goblin
Avatar
Rank Points: 18
Registered: 03-14-2014
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (0)  
????? :w00t:?:w00t:? . I cannot understand how that space is useful. Once I get the roach there, I have only 12 moves till the next baby is made. This is my last room, then I will have completed the hold, except for the mastery and post mastery stuff.

____________________________
My avatar is a cool gif I found on the Kongregate forums.
Click here to view the secret text

03-24-2014 at 04:51 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
Moo
Level: Master Delver
Rank Points: 214
Registered: 10-14-2006
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (+1)  
I don't remember the exact sequence... But can you use those 12 moves to get the roach into a position to stop the next baby being made?
03-24-2014 at 06:10 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts High Scores Quote Reply
abe10
Level: Goblin
Avatar
Rank Points: 18
Registered: 03-14-2014
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (0)  
No Way. It is on the other side of the pit. and WHY is this room not on either "Insert Room Image" tool???

____________________________
My avatar is a cool gif I found on the Kongregate forums.
Click here to view the secret text

03-24-2014 at 07:53 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
robin
Level: Smitemaster
Avatar
Rank Points: 765
Registered: 09-01-2004
IP: Logged

File: KDDL4 L16 secret room.hold (1.6 KB)
Downloaded 13 times.
License: Public Domain
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (+2)  
Here's a demo of the room. You can watch the demo by clicking on the "Watch Demo" text on the main titlescreen.

to watch the demo make sure you have DROD4 (Gunthro and the epic blunder) installed.
Here you can download the demo version of DROD 4

Here you can download the patch to upgrade to 4.0.3.113
(It's the file under mrimer's avatar)





____________________________
Click here to view the secret text


[Last edited by robin at 03-26-2014 06:56 AM]
03-24-2014 at 10:34 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts High Scores Quote Reply
abe10
Level: Goblin
Avatar
Rank Points: 18
Registered: 03-14-2014
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (-2)  
That did not help. It did not show me this room.

____________________________
My avatar is a cool gif I found on the Kongregate forums.
Click here to view the secret text

03-25-2014 at 12:21 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
abe10
Level: Goblin
Avatar
Rank Points: 18
Registered: 03-14-2014
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (-1)  
Just beat the demo. Looked neat, but I do not want to buy the full game. It did not help me with the last room, though.

____________________________
My avatar is a cool gif I found on the Kongregate forums.
Click here to view the secret text


[Last edited by abe10 at 03-25-2014 01:22 AM]
03-25-2014 at 01:21 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
bwross
Level: Smiter
Rank Points: 376
Registered: 04-17-2005
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (0)  
quote:
abe10 wrote:
????? :w00t:?:w00t:? . I cannot understand how that space is useful. Once I get the roach there, I have only 12 moves till the next baby is made. This is my last room, then I will have completed the hold, except for the mastery and post mastery stuff.


It's useful because it will hold the roach above (6,15) while you move to (6,23). From entering the room, if you go directly to (1,9) the roach is in there in 4 moves with 26 moves to go. Which is a couple moves more than you need to get to (6,23).

[Last edited by bwross at 03-25-2014 04:17 AM]
03-25-2014 at 04:16 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
robin
Level: Smitemaster
Avatar
Rank Points: 765
Registered: 09-01-2004
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (+1)  
quote:
abe10 wrote:
Just beat the demo. Looked neat, but I do not want to buy the full game. It did not help me with the last room, though.


You don't need to buy the full game to watch my demo.
Just install the demo of drod 4
Download the hold file in my post above
Import it, at "change location"
And watch it

____________________________
Click here to view the secret text

03-25-2014 at 06:44 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts High Scores Quote Reply
abe10
Level: Goblin
Avatar
Rank Points: 18
Registered: 03-14-2014
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (0)  
It did not play. I was able to beat your demo room, but it did not play an animation. Also, your room does not have a wall 1/2 up on the west side of the tar wall to the east. DROD4:lvl16:3S2E Does have that wall. The wall starts 2 knight moves SxSE. AKA, It starts four squares south and two squares east, and it goes to the bottom of the center room. Also, there is a wall to the west of the top of the tar queen. Your demo does not have it. These are observations. I think that you will find the level to be a large part tougher once you add these parts to it. I am playing the game on Jayisgames, if that would make any difference.

____________________________
My avatar is a cool gif I found on the Kongregate forums.
Click here to view the secret text

03-25-2014 at 09:05 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
bwross
Level: Smiter
Rank Points: 376
Registered: 04-17-2005
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (+1)  
The wall by the tar mother doesn't make much difference. The missing wall by the tar in the roach area is huge. The demo wouldn't help you even if you did watch it because it misses the time constraint I mentioned above and goes with leading the roach to the first position from the west, not from the south. Which won't work because it's 32 moves from that west position to the next one that's required.
03-25-2014 at 09:58 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
robin
Level: Smitemaster
Avatar
Rank Points: 765
Registered: 09-01-2004
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (+2)  
I fixed the hold and attached it to my previous post.
My apology for the inconvenience.

____________________________
Click here to view the secret text


[Last edited by robin at 03-26-2014 06:59 AM]
03-26-2014 at 12:24 AM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts High Scores Quote Reply
abe10
Level: Goblin
Avatar
Rank Points: 18
Registered: 03-14-2014
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (0)  
It is kinda ok. How exactly do I get the animation to run?

____________________________
My avatar is a cool gif I found on the Kongregate forums.
Click here to view the secret text

03-26-2014 at 12:42 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
bwross
Level: Smiter
Rank Points: 376
Registered: 04-17-2005
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (+1)  
Go back to the main menu and select "Watch Demo" (ie if that option isn't there, there will be a "Back to the Main Menu" option you should use first to get to it), or just wait a few minutes on the title screen and it will start itself.

[Last edited by bwross at 03-26-2014 02:29 PM]
03-26-2014 at 02:28 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
Dartania
Level: Goblin
Rank Points: 17
Registered: 06-19-2012
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (+3)  
quote:
abe10 wrote:
This is my last room, then I will have completed the hold, except for the mastery and post mastery stuff.

Umm... This room is a secret room, not required to complete the hold.

Other than that, you people are being overly cryptic.
-1st cycle-
Click here to view the secret text

-2nd cycle-
Click here to view the secret text

-3rd cycle-
Click here to view the secret text

-4th cycle-
Click here to view the secret text

-5th cycle-
Click here to view the secret text

-6th cycle and beyond-
Click here to view the secret text


Don't let it get to 6th cycle.

An attempt to clarify how to attack the Tar Mother:
Before Spawn:
Click here to view the secret text

At Spawn:
Click here to view the secret text

After Spawn:
Click here to view the secret text


Now, Here is the problem I'm experiencing:
At the end of the fourth cycle, in order to not create tar babies, at the breaking of the first wall, I have eight moves till spawn. I need twelve to get into position. How do I get those four extra turns?
-Note: You have to move the roach out of the fourth-point alcove. That's what takes up all those turns.

____________________________
Please don't think me rude when I don't reply to the last answer post.
All thank-you's are given now and forever, to be taken for granted-- unless you give a super awesome heaping amount of help, then I'll post an additional thank you post.
03-26-2014 at 02:38 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
bwross
Level: Smiter
Rank Points: 376
Registered: 04-17-2005
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (+3)  
quote:
Dartania wrote:
Other than that, you people are being overly cryptic.


Cryptic? I said exactly what you said in your first secret and have since specified co-ordinates for the pocket and instructions on how to use it. We're not even subtle anymore on the first part. I was leaving the rest of the roach part so there was still something to be figured out, because it should be easy once you know how to do the first one.

quote:

Now, Here is the problem I'm experiencing:
At the end of the fourth cycle, in order to not create tar babies, at the breaking of the first wall, I have eight moves till spawn. I need twelve to get into position. How do I get those four extra turns?
-Note: You have to move the roach out of the fourth-point alcove. That's what takes up all those turns.


I have 15 moves left at that point. I can't really guess why you're short, so I'll describe what I'm doing.

EDIT: Actually it just hit me where you could be going wrong.
Click here to view the secret text


Anways, here's the original accounting (before the above edit) in case you want to see that:
Click here to view the secret text


[Last edited by bwross at 03-26-2014 03:15 PM]
03-26-2014 at 03:05 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
Moo
Level: Master Delver
Rank Points: 214
Registered: 10-14-2006
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (+2)  
I had problems with this room too, and tried all kinds of wrong things before I started again and did it more systematically and found it was much simpler than I was expecting. I went back and re-did it just now...

So...
1st cycle:
Click here to view the secret text


Edit: Ninjad..

[Last edited by Moo at 03-26-2014 03:21 PM]
03-26-2014 at 03:20 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts High Scores Quote Reply
abe10
Level: Goblin
Avatar
Rank Points: 18
Registered: 03-14-2014
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (0)  
Just mastered the hold. :). Now, to beat the Advanced Concepts!!! Thanks for your help, bwross, Moo, and robin!!!!!

____________________________
My avatar is a cool gif I found on the Kongregate forums.
Click here to view the secret text


[Last edited by abe10 at 03-26-2014 03:40 PM]
03-26-2014 at 03:38 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Send Email to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
Dartania
Level: Goblin
Rank Points: 17
Registered: 06-19-2012
IP: Logged
icon Re: King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level (+1)  
quote:
bwross wrote:
EDIT: Actually it just hit me where you could be going wrong.
Click here to view the secret text



Clear!
You're right. I was going around the bottom, then waiting at the right. If I go around the top instead, and even use the same number of turns-till-spawn, I have plenty of time.

Thank you so much! By the way, I didn't mean you specifically when I said cryptic. I also admit that I have a tendency to be unintentionally cryptic at times.


____________________________
Please don't think me rude when I don't reply to the last answer post.
All thank-you's are given now and forever, to be taken for granted-- unless you give a super awesome heaping amount of help, then I'll post an additional thank you post.
03-26-2014 at 03:41 PM
View Profile Send Private Message to User Show all user's posts Quote Reply
Page 1 of 2
2
New Topic Post Reply
Caravel Forum : DROD Boards : Flash DROD Hints and Solutions : King Dugan's Dungeon Lite 4 : Sixteenth Level : secret level
Surf To:


Forum Rules:
Can I post a new topic? No
Can I reply? No
Can I read? Yes
HTML Enabled? No
UBBC Enabled? Yes
Words Filter Enable? No

Contact Us | CaravelGames.com

Powered by: tForum tForumHacks Edition b0.98.8
Originally created by Toan Huynh (Copyright © 2000)
Enhanced by the tForumHacks team and the Caravel team.