kikuchiyo
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I admit to being stuck in this room ().

I understand that the goal is to let the tar grow in the central enclosure without creating even one tar baby, and that for this, I have to have the roach positioned next to the islands or edges for the turns when the tar grows.

This seems straightforward until after the fourth growth of the tar, when the roach has to be at (12,11). After that, I'm lost.

If I break the crumbly wall south of the queen and then go west to lure the roach to (6,11), then the tar will fill the queen's area and I can't get in anymore.

If I don't break the wall, then the blob with the queen won't grow into a cuttable shape and the tar in the central enclosure will block the way for the roach.

The only way I see I can kill the queen is to let its blob grow into a 3x2 shape, and for that I have to break the crumbly wall, and then stand next to it when it grows. But I don't see when I could do this.

Which of my assumptions are wrong?

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This is the incorrect assumption:

kikuchiyo wrote:
If I break the crumbly wall south of the queen and then go west to lure the roach to (6,11), then the tar will fill the queen's area and I can't get in anymore.

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Yes, I know that I have growth cycles before the roach has to be at (6,11).

However, I can't just let the roach stay at (12,11), because if I do, then a tar baby will spawn next to it when the tar expands.

The only way I can get the roach out of there is to go west, to (11,5) - and when I go back to deal with the queen, I'm one or two moves short.

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I had big problems with this room. Trying not to spoil it too much - your problem probably lies with

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kikuchiyo
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Unfortunately, when I try to deal with the tar mother , it becomes

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kikuchiyo
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Ahh, thanks, this last tip was enough. It made me realize that I was not patient enough at a certain point. There was no need to haste.

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NoahT wrote:
If you can manipulate the roach in such a way so that Beethro can move to (5, 11) the turn right after the fourth spawn cycle, that should leave enough time to deal with the mother before any inaccessible babies can be spawned.
-Noah

What do you mean by "so that Beethro can move to 5,11"?? That Is A Wall! A Solid Wall @THAT!! It does not make any sense! Not even the Roach can make it there!

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abe10
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Does anyone have a list of the points I should be at for the turns the queen spawns? I know it starts at (1,15), then where do I go?

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Okay, I think I've deciphered this conversation now. "Queen" means "mother" and (5,11) should probably be (11,5). For a while there I wasn't sure this was talking about the same room.

Anyways, I don't really have a list of the exact points, but I can give a hint to get things going. The first place the roach is going to need to be is over on the left side where the tar is going to expand around a corner (that's what you look for to see where you need to be next). But if you go to the side and lead the roach there and wait, you'll find that you'll always be short trying to reach the next point. This is a job for Perfection.

(That's a reference to the Smitemaster Selection where the following trick needs to be used again and again.)

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abe10
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What Pocket?? If you mean the only 'opening' for the 'ring', then it is still confusing. I cannot find the right path!!!

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The pocket is at (6,9). Once a roach is in there, it won't come out until you move to column 7, so it's a nice little "pocket" to hold the roach until you need it.

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????? . I cannot understand how that space is useful. Once I get the roach there, I have only 12 moves till the next baby is made. This is my last room, then I will have completed the hold, except for the mastery and post mastery stuff.

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I don't remember the exact sequence... But can you use those 12 moves to get the roach into a position to stop the next baby being made?

abe10
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No Way. It is on the other side of the pit. and WHY is this room not on either "Insert Room Image" tool???

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File: KDDL4 L16 secret room.hold (1.6 KB)
Downloaded 63 times.
License: Public Domain

Here's a demo of the room. You can watch the demo by clicking on the "Watch Demo" text on the main titlescreen.

to watch the demo make sure you have DROD4 (Gunthro and the epic blunder) installed.
Here you can download the demo version of DROD 4

Here you can download the patch to upgrade to 4.0.3.113
(It's the file under mrimer's avatar)





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abe10
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That did not help. It did not show me this room.

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Just beat the demo. Looked neat, but I do not want to buy the full game. It did not help me with the last room, though.

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abe10 wrote:
????? . I cannot understand how that space is useful. Once I get the roach there, I have only 12 moves till the next baby is made. This is my last room, then I will have completed the hold, except for the mastery and post mastery stuff.

It's useful because it will hold the roach above (6,15) while you move to (6,23). From entering the room, if you go directly to (1,9) the roach is in there in 4 moves with 26 moves to go. Which is a couple moves more than you need to get to (6,23).

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abe10 wrote:
Just beat the demo. Looked neat, but I do not want to buy the full game. It did not help me with the last room, though.

You don't need to buy the full game to watch my demo.
Just install the demo of drod 4
Download the hold file in my post above
Import it, at "change location"
And watch it

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It did not play. I was able to beat your demo room, but it did not play an animation. Also, your room does not have a wall 1/2 up on the west side of the tar wall to the east. DROD4:lvl16:3S2E Does have that wall. The wall starts 2 knight moves SxSE. AKA, It starts four squares south and two squares east, and it goes to the bottom of the center room. Also, there is a wall to the west of the top of the tar queen. Your demo does not have it. These are observations. I think that you will find the level to be a large part tougher once you add these parts to it. I am playing the game on Jayisgames, if that would make any difference.

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The wall by the tar mother doesn't make much difference. The missing wall by the tar in the roach area is huge. The demo wouldn't help you even if you did watch it because it misses the time constraint I mentioned above and goes with leading the roach to the first position from the west, not from the south. Which won't work because it's 32 moves from that west position to the next one that's required.

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I fixed the hold and attached it to my previous post.
My apology for the inconvenience.

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abe10
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It is kinda ok. How exactly do I get the animation to run?

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Go back to the main menu and select "Watch Demo" (ie if that option isn't there, there will be a "Back to the Main Menu" option you should use first to get to it), or just wait a few minutes on the title screen and it will start itself.

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Dartania
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abe10 wrote:
This is my last room, then I will have completed the hold, except for the mastery and post mastery stuff.

Umm... This room is a secret room, not required to complete the hold.

Other than that, you people are being overly cryptic.
-1st cycle-
-2nd cycle-
-3rd cycle-
-4th cycle-
-5th cycle-
-6th cycle and beyond-

Don't let it get to 6th cycle.

An attempt to clarify how to attack the Tar Mother:
Before Spawn:
At Spawn:
After Spawn:

Now, Here is the problem I'm experiencing:
At the end of the fourth cycle, in order to not create tar babies, at the breaking of the first wall, I have eight moves till spawn. I need twelve to get into position. How do I get those four extra turns?
-Note: You have to move the roach out of the fourth-point alcove. That's what takes up all those turns.

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Dartania wrote:
Other than that, you people are being overly cryptic.

Cryptic? I said exactly what you said in your first secret and have since specified co-ordinates for the pocket and instructions on how to use it. We're not even subtle anymore on the first part. I was leaving the rest of the roach part so there was still something to be figured out, because it should be easy once you know how to do the first one.

Now, Here is the problem I'm experiencing:
At the end of the fourth cycle, in order to not create tar babies, at the breaking of the first wall, I have eight moves till spawn. I need twelve to get into position. How do I get those four extra turns?
-Note: You have to move the roach out of the fourth-point alcove. That's what takes up all those turns.

I have 15 moves left at that point. I can't really guess why you're short, so I'll describe what I'm doing.

EDIT: Actually it just hit me where you could be going wrong.


Anways, here's the original accounting (before the above edit) in case you want to see that:

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I had problems with this room too, and tried all kinds of wrong things before I started again and did it more systematically and found it was much simpler than I was expecting. I went back and re-did it just now...

So...
1st cycle:

Edit: Ninjad..

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abe10
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Just mastered the hold. . Now, to beat the Advanced Concepts!!! Thanks for your help, bwross, Moo, and robin!!!!!

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bwross wrote:
EDIT: Actually it just hit me where you could be going wrong.

Click here to view the secret text

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You're probably doing the 4th spot from the east (I tried it and it fit exactly, just like the 3rd... but it's wrong).

Click here to view the secret text

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Do it from the north with the same trick as the first.

Clear!
You're right. I was going around the bottom, then waiting at the right. If I go around the top instead, and even use the same number of turns-till-spawn, I have plenty of time.

Thank you so much! By the way, I didn't mean you specifically when I said cryptic. I also admit that I have a tendency to be unintentionally cryptic at times.


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