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Yes, and it is a good mindset to have.

Personally I have not played the rogue class as I was focusing testing on other classes. And after a while of playing the game over and over again, one ends up repeating the same actions anyway, and eventually the game needs a set of fresh eyes to find more bugs.

Sorry some slipped through, but it does unfortunately happen. We did try to make the game as polished as we could.
01-06-2014 at 01:41 AM
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Yes, and it is a good mindset to have.

Personally I have not played the rogue class as I was focusing testing on other classes. And after a while of playing the game over and over again, one ends up repeating the same actions anyway, and eventually the game needs a set of fresh eyes to find more bugs.

Sorry some slipped through, but it does unfortunately happen. We did try to make the game as polished as we could.


No problem at all. The same stuff happens where I work. It always takes a fresh set of eyes. Thank you for making such an awesome game.
01-06-2014 at 05:15 AM
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We probably allowed the gold sword to be used for flexibility. And it is kind of magic, but it isn't very good for fighting either :)

Anyway, I will do some testing tonight to see if I can replicate Crom's issue (it may come down to the fact that we didn't expect anyone to enter the guild BEFORE their things were robbed, and I am unsure why it would occur after his things got robbed given it hasn't consistently replicated across other people's games for this class).


Here are the steps below so you can hopefully reproduce it:

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So I've tested a little and this is what I note:

- As a thief, you can only pry the barrel door open if the cupboard door is open. If you don't have it open, the game won't let you pry the door open with the sword, let alone give you a hint about leverage.

- The game plays out OK if I go to the thieve's lodge before I'm robbed, so that scenario was taken into consideration by the programmer.

- I am unable to replicate your issue of not having enough time to do anything. On the fastest speed setting I had 4 seconds. I use 'J' key for jump, and I click the cursor a bit lower down the screen. I'm not sure what you're doing, but if you're doing similarly and it's not working, I wouldn't mind a saved game to have a look. (And I just tested, and placement of cursor should not matter).

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For the record, when you get robbed, it does call it the Thieves Lodge several times, so I would presume that is the hint for solving the letter puzzle.

In any event, is it possible that by prying it open, you're accidently triggering the Warrior's version of the Lodge? If that's even a thing, I suppose. Try using the hand icon on yourself and see what happens?

Otherwise all I could conclude is that prying it open as a Rogue is bugging the game out. Reload to before descending the barrel, solve it the Rogue way (use the letters puzzle to open it) and then see if it'll play out differently.

I went through with a Rogue on a quickie run, and I did find I had plenty of time to jump away as well. I went up to the menu, clicked on the action button, selected Jumping and then clicked away. So even without the keyboard shortcut it was plenty possible.

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So I've tested a little and this is what I note:

- As a thief, you can only pry the barrel door open if the cupboard door is open. If you don't have it open, the game won't let you pry the door open with the sword, let alone give you a hint about leverage.

- The game plays out OK if I go to the thieve's lodge before I'm robbed, so that scenario was taken into consideration by the programmer.

- I am unable to replicate your issue of not having enough time to do anything. On the fastest speed setting I had 4 seconds. I use 'J' key for jump, and I click the cursor a bit lower down the screen. I'm not sure what you're doing, but if you're doing similarly and it's not working, I wouldn't mind a saved game to have a look. (And I just tested, and placement of cursor should not matter).


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For the record, when you get robbed, it does call it the Thieves Lodge several times, so I would presume that is the hint for solving the letter puzzle.

In any event, is it possible that by prying it open, you're accidently triggering the Warrior's version of the Lodge? If that's even a thing, I suppose. Try using the hand icon on yourself and see what happens?

Otherwise all I could conclude is that prying it open as a Rogue is bugging the game out. Reload to before descending the barrel, solve it the Rogue way (use the letters puzzle to open it) and then see if it'll play out differently.

I went through with a Rogue on a quickie run, and I did find I had plenty of time to jump away as well. I went up to the menu, clicked on the action button, selected Jumping and then clicked away. So even without the keyboard shortcut it was plenty possible.


Good deal. I will try that today. Didn't know about the J shortcut.

Thanks guys.

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So I've tested a little and this is what I note:

- As a thief, you can only pry the barrel door open if the cupboard door is open. If you don't have it open, the game won't let you pry the door open with the sword, let alone give you a hint about leverage.

- The game plays out OK if I go to the thieve's lodge before I'm robbed, so that scenario was taken into consideration by the programmer.

- I am unable to replicate your issue of not having enough time to do anything. On the fastest speed setting I had 4 seconds. I use 'J' key for jump, and I click the cursor a bit lower down the screen. I'm not sure what you're doing, but if you're doing similarly and it's not working, I wouldn't mind a saved game to have a look. (And I just tested, and placement of cursor should not matter).


OK. Did things the right way.

There is a definite difference between opening it the right way and the wrong way for me.

When I open it with the switches I have to click the ladder to go in the barrel. I also have tons of time to jump out of the way when needed.

When I open it with the sword and I automatically climb down. I only have a second to hit the J key and click somewhere with the walk button. I tried a few times before I succeeded. It is a lot harder to do.

I wonder if I somehow activated the Warrior's version?
01-06-2014 at 09:35 PM
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It's funny, but on my machine, if I do it the wrong way, I still have plenty of time to jump. Anyway, since there is a difference between right way and wrong way, fixing the bug so the wrong way can't happen at all will be the final fix in v1.1 :)
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As a sorceress, I probably got more use out of the gold sword than any other item in the game. (I don't think I'm supposed to have it, but I pickpocketed it from Regin. Since a Sorceress doesn't usually have a sword, and there's several places you can use one as a tool, it's actually extremely useful to her -- though obviously not as a weapon!)

What skill is it that allows non-thieves to join the guild? Stealth or thievery? I assume thievery, but I had both, so I wasn't sure.

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I would assume you need both, actually.
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I play as a mage.
I can't enter the guild. Using 6th sence spell I've found five triggers. I've activated them, but nothing happens.

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With the last trigger, make sure you're clicking the right drawer?
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With the last trigger, make sure you're clicking the right drawer?


Thx. Now it works. Before this i just opened wardrobe and didn't focus on drawers.
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I would assume you need both, actually.
I would prefer that it just require Thievery, since Thievery is already nerfed if you don't have stealth (you can't pickpocket anyone) -- without joining the guild it's even worse, since you'll have no lockpicks and therefore pretty much no way to apply or improve thievery at all beyond cheating at dice.

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So if you didn't make it into the guild before traveling to Svartlheim (Regin was always there and whining at me not to touch any of the decor whenever I tried.) are you just out of luck for the rest of the game? After returning from Svartlheim I went back, as a sorceress and tried Sixth Sense but after following the magic's directions it claimed the thieves must have changed the password. Or is this just the case until I somehow scrounge up the money to free Kraka from jail?
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If you're playing v1.1, the Norns should have prevented you from entering Svartalfheim if your things were stolen. Please let us know if this isn't the case.

If you avoided having your belongings stolen in the first place, then no, you don't need to visit the Thieves' Guild.

Either way, you shouldn't be up against any game stoppers :) (and going into the Thieves' Guild isn't going to help rescue Kraka).
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If you're playing v1.1, the Norns should have prevented you from entering Svartalfheim if your things were stolen. Please let us know if this isn't the case.

If you avoided having your belongings stolen in the first place, then no, you don't need to visit the Thieves' Guild.

Either way, you shouldn't be up against any game stoppers :) (and going into the Thieves' Guild isn't going to help rescue Kraka).


The thief broke into my room but didn't steal anything. I'm just that the point where I've been everywhere and done everything I can think of and I KNOW there's an area over there I haven't been so I'm frustrated that I can't get in there. ;)

Edited to add: Although I never got the mirror I see from other threads on the board indicated was in the Munagivir inn. If the thief stole that, and I shouldn't have been allowed to travel to Svartlheim until I retrieved it, then that's a bug.

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I swear the thieves guild is the bane of my existence.. I downloaded the new version of the game and this time the thief came and stole all my things. But I'm running into the same problem that I had the first time I tried to play through, that Regin is here and won't leave. I can't interact with any of the items in the house while he's here. Do I just have spectacularly bad timing and I'm always missing the window where he leaves? Nothing else I've tried to encourage him to leave spell-wise has worked. ;)
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Regin stays indoors during the day time. If you've played further, you'll know why :)
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If Regin isn't already there when you come in, then you may have some time to open the secret door before he arrives, by slowing down the game speed and memorizing where all the correct switches are.

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What is the password to open the barrel?

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If you weren't able to solve the LODGE puzzle then I'm afraid you simply were not paying attention. Here are two of the ingame hints - from the only two letter objects that give long descriptions, no less:

"An ornate latch in the shape of a letter F is set on the cupboard door; you believe the drawers have handles that look like other letters. You think there are a lot of letters here, but you would probably need only half of them."

"Drawn in soot upon the bottom of the lamp is the letter D. You think the password here should be something very straightforward; what is it you're looking for again?"

Whenever you ask just about any NPC in town about the thief who robbed you, they will mention the Thieves' Lodge.

Which means you're looking for the Thieves' Lodge.

Ergo LODGE.
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