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My favorite flash game happens to be minesweeper. However, I really dislike that you are unable to figure out all of the time the entire board. At some point, it is 50/50 for the next move because the setup is random.

So this game is different in that there is another move. The goal of this game is to have a (T)arget square that everyone needs to figure out whether or not it is a mine or a free space. Winner makes a new pattern. For the sake of the game, flagged mines are actually mines.

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0-8 Number of bombs surrounding
M Flagged mine
U Unknown
T Target square


U U M 1 1 2 2 2
U 4 2 1 1 M M 2
U U 1 1 2 5 U T
U U 1 U U U U U


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And here is another more difficult setup.

U U U U
1 M 3 U
2 2 2 U
M 2 3 U
2 M 3 U
2 3 U U
1 M 3 U
2 2 3 U
1 2 M T


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First one:
Click here to view the secret text


Second one:
Click here to view the secret text


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This is true the grid was poorly made. In the future, I suggest clearly delineating where the wall is and what is just a reduction in size. Scenarios that I find interesting is where you begin to factor in the remaining number of mines. At that point you can start working with probabilities as well as your certainties.

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Okay, next puzzle. (I'll use a hyphen instead of "U" for unknown squares; I think it's easier to read that way.)

0 1 - 1 0 0 1 - 1 0
1 3 - 3 2 2 3 - 2 0
- - - - - - - - 2 1
- - T - - - 4 - - -
- - 3 2 3 - 4 - - -
- - 1 0 1 - 3 - - -


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M M 2 1 2 2 2 2 1 1
2 2 2 M 3 M M 4 M 2
1 1 2 3 - - M 4 M 3
M 1 2 M - - 3 4 3 M
3 3 3 M - 2 M 2 M 2
M M 3 3 - 2 2 3 2 1
2 3 - - - 2 2 M 2 1
1 2 - - - - - 2 3 M 
1 M 2 - - - - - - -


Ten Mines Remaining

What is the least number of squares in which you need to guess?
And where do you have the best odds?


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The least is 2 guesses, which are required to be certain of the position of 2 mines each. And no matter which strategy you pick regarding where to place those guesses, the chances of success are 1 in 6.

EDIT: Though as noted previously in the thread, if exposing known safe squares gave you more numbers, then only 1 guess would need to be made, giving a chance of 1 in 2. The guesses/chances above assume that no further numbers may be revealed.

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This is mostly untrue. There is one required guess of 50/50 but there is 5 mines that you can detect before that point.

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There are two mines in the upper six unknown squares and two in the leftmost five; thus there are six in the remaining ten unknown squares, of which only one can touch the bottom "2" and at most two can touch the "2" at the bottom-left of the right-hand wall. That forces the following configuration:

M M 2 1 2 2 2 2 1 1
2 2 2 M 3 M M 4 M 2
1 1 2 3 - - M 4 M 3
M 1 2 M - - 3 4 3 M
3 3 3 M - 2 M 2 M 2
M M 3 3 ? 2 2 3 2 1
2 3 - - - 2 2 M 2 1
1 2 - - - M 4 2 3 M 
1 M 2 - M M M 1 2 M


The square I've marked "?" is free, and clicking it will tell you whether the square below and left of it is a mine or not. From there, if clicking on free squares is allowed, the lower half can be completely solved, and the upper half will require a 50/50 guess.

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The spitemaster wrote:
This is mostly untrue. There is one required guess of 50/50 but there is 5 mines that you can detect before that point.
I said there were 4 mines where guessing was required, needing 1 guess for 2 mines each. That means I could place *6* mines before needing to guess, or 8 mines if I could reveal more numbers from known free squares.

EDIT: Nuntar's configuration is exactly what I got, though he's missing a Mine right below the '?' mark. I'm sure that's just a typo though, since his strategy was the same as mine.

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